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Old 06-23-2010, 09:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What the Taliban Think of McChrystal's Ouster

To them, it means they're winning.

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Pakistanis, particularly the large ethnic Pashtun population living in the country’s violence-prone northwest near the Afghan border, were transfixed by the unfolding McChrystal saga, launched by a profile of the general by NEWSWEEK alumnus Michael Hastings in Rolling Stone. Their eyes and ears were glued to round-the-clock television and radio news coverage of the general’s gaffes and the resulting political fallout in both Kabul and Washington.

Of course, no one is more mesmerized than the Taliban themselves, who, if they don’t have access to television, followed the drama and the minute-by-minute coverage of McChrystal’s Pentagon and White House meetings on the Pashto-language services of the BBC and VOA. “We are enjoying every minute of it on TV and the radio,” says a senior Afghan Taliban official and former cabinet minister in Mullah Mohammed Omar’s defunct government, who spoke on the condition that he not be quoted by name. “All the talk about this being America’s longest, most expensive, and most unpopular war—and about the tension between McChrystal and Obama—is music to our ears.” The Taliban official, who spoke with NEWSWEEK along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and even naively asked about the possibility of a military coup in Washington, sees the apparent insubordination (and the backbiting) in the U.S. ranks as the latest sign of America’s impending defeat in Afghanistan. “What we are seeing is the mindset of a U.S. general and other commanders who are getting mentally ready for failure, so they criticize and make jokes about the president.”

He points to Gen. David Petraeus’s fainting the other day during congressional testimony, the video of which is being featured on a Taliban Web site, and to the McChrystal flap as clear signs that the stress of the war is seriously affecting the U.S. command. “Generals are losing trust in colonels, colonels in majors, and the West is losing trust in [Afghan President Hamid] Karzai.” But while American generals and politicians seem to be divided and blaming each other for the lack of progress, the Taliban leadership and its fighters have never been more united, despite the insurgency’s heavy battlefield losses, he says. “McChrystal calls Marja ‘a bleeding ulcer,’” the Taliban commander says. “We have lost much more blood than America has. But whether our fighters are 14, 40, or 60, and know they can be martyred at any time, we are convinced we are going to win.” (The commander paints a much-too-rosy picture of the insurgency, which is deeply divided about whether to enter into peace talks with Karzai.)

The Taliban didn’t care whether McChrystal resigned or retained his position, the official said, because either way the momentum is on the guerrillas’ side. “The U.S. may have the most modern and destructive weapons in the world, but our fighters are gaining ground day by day.” “There were generals before McChrystal in the past 10 years, and there will be generals after him, who, like their predecessors, will all retire without achieving success,” the Taliban official says.

Only Karzai will be unhappy by McChrystal’s removal, the Taliban official says: “Karzai likes McChrystal because he pushed for bringing more troops and money to Afghanistan.” Indeed, McChrystal and Karzai seem to have gotten along well, whereas the Afghan president and the U.S. ambassador, Karl Eikenberry (the former military commander here), reportedly have an uneasy relationship. “Karzai clearly sees Eikenberry as being unsympathetic to him,” says one of the Afghani president’s cabinet ministers, who asked not to be quoted by name because of the sensitivity of the subject.

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These primitives have no real reason to be so happy. Someone else will take his place and the Taliban's arse will continue to be kicked from all sides.
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Indeed it does seem Taliban have scored a goal here, pardon the football pun it is FIFA season afterall.
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Some may be able to kick Taliban arse, but what good is it if you cannot defeat them? Are you not tiring your own resources at a tremendous cost? While Taliban can fight on forever it seems and appears and while they can fight at a much cost-effective and cheap way.

You just can't help some fools...
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Many Americans are sick of the war in Afghanistan and they are demanding the troops be pulled out from Afghanistan. Allow the Afghans at this point to solve it among themselves with Pakistan's help and cooperation if need be. The US and cooperating partners are building up the ANA and just as in Iraq security responsibility will be handed over to the indigenous and legitimate forces. US will eventually cut back presence in Afghanistan, hopefully that is what most American people want.
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These primitives have no real reason to be so happy. Someone else will take his place and the Taliban's arse will continue to be kicked from all sides.


Your not paying for this war whether it be blood or money, so shut up. Your free to offer your opinion but sometimes you speak/type as if this war actually impacts you. It impacts the people of Pakistan, Afghanistan, US, and involved NATO states. Understand?
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I actually agree with some of the things Gen. McCrystal and his aides said about Pres. Obama and his cabinet, what he spoke was controversial and truthful, but he should not have said it in a interview with the Rolling Stones...


It seems Gen. McCrystal was not only fighting the Taliban but the powerful folks in black-suits back in Washington.
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Your not paying for this war whether it be blood or money, so shut up. Your free to offer your opinion but sometimes you speak/type as if this war actually impacts you. It impacts the people of Pakistan, Afghanistan, US, and involved NATO states. Understand?
Did you read the history I instructed you to read? Of the rapes and genocide of Muslims by the Mongols?

Still a fan of the Mongols!

I will give you something more to chew and gag on the next time.
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McChrystal in the Pakistani context


Saturday, 26 Jun, 2010

US President Barrak Obama has sacked his military commander in Afghanistan General McChrystal over insubordination and indifference towards civilian leaders. With this he also gave a message to the world that institutions are stronger than individuals and also that the civilian chain of command should never be undermined.

On the one hand, was the question of the final say in policy-making by the elected leadership; on the other the US military commander in Afghanistan getting increasingly frustrated prosecuting a war with no definite end in sight.

Yet, the general had no grounds or reasons to be critical of the civilian authority.

Gen McChrystal’s disparaging remarks in the latest issue of a magazine about President Obama, civilian leadership and the policy makers in Washington did make one thing clear: the field commanders in Afghanistan and the civil administration in Washington were not on the same wavelength in the fight against the Afghan Taliban. In such a situation where the policy-makers have least realisation of the ground realities, the ultimate was quite understandable.
A case of far graver insubordination and indifference towards an elected civilian leadership also occured in Pakistan. It was in 1999 when a Pakistani McChrystal undermined the authority of a democratic government and indulged in adventurism in Kargil. When an attempt was made to replace him, what happened subsequently is a well-known tragedy and needs no elaboration.

The United States is the world leader in democracy and democratic norms.

In Pakistan, democracy has been a mere vision throughout the 63 years of its short history. The military has been calling the shots from day one – whether it was a military government or a so-called democratic set-up under the command and influence of the khakis.

In a country like ours, where public leaders are said to be corrupt and not trustworthy, more interested in business and minting money instead of applying themselves in resolution of public issues, ready to compromise national interests for selfish aims, willing to take decisions under ‘outside pressure’, people have no choice but to look towards the army.

This is an unfortunate and undesirable state of affairs. At the same time, this is an undeniable fact in the present context.

Having said that, I am confused what if a situation similar to that of 1999 breaks out in Pakistan once again. To my mind, it can only be avoided with increased liaison and sincerity of purpose by all concerned.

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