ISI gives evidence of CIA involment in Pakistan

[Rafael]

Originally Posted by Rafael

Oh yeah, we are protecting mullah omer so that US finds a reason to invade Pakistan?

If we go by your logic than india too has a "fifth column" within its military with the likes of Colonel Prohit, USA has there share of these men who kill their own countrymen and fellow soldiers.One or two individual cases here and there doesn't make that a "state policy", now does it? We are fully aware of what is what and trying to clear that junk.

To further illustrate my point i have found something for you Vinod.



M[html]umbai: The MCOCA court will debate the mammoth 4,000 page chargesheet submitted by the Anti-Terrorism Squad on Thursday. The chargesheet reveals radical intentions of creating a separate Hindu nation and extensive attempts by the saffron terror brigade to network with Israel and Nepal.

Suspended Army man Lt Col Prasad Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and Swami Dayanand Pandey are allegedly the key perpetartors of saffron terror. According to the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) the transcripts of audio video recordings recovered from Dayanand Pandey's laptop is evidence enough to prove that Purohit had already kicked off efforts to liason with establishments in Nepal and Israel to set up a separate Hindu rashtra.

In a meeting which was attended by Dayanand Pandey alias Sudhakar Dwivedi, Delhi based Dr R P Singh, a Col Bappaditya Dhar, Himani Sawarkar and others, Purohit is seen and heard saying: "Israel se maine jo sampark kiya hai, hamara ek captain Israel hoke aa gaya hai. Very positive response from their side, unhone ye kaha hai ki you show us something on the ground, humne unko sirf paper diya tha. Woh ye bole wait and watch for six months. ("I have contacted Israel and one of our captains has been to Israel. There has been a very positive response from their side. They have said show us something on the ground because we have just shown them everything on paper right now. They said wait and watch for six months.")

On behalf of the council of the right wing Hindu extremists, Purohit had even managed to clinch a couple of deals with his counterparts in Israel. The ATS transcripts show Purhit saying: "We asked for four things - continuous and uninterrupted supply of equipmental training, secondly allow us to start our office with a saffron flag in Tel Aviv, number three political asylum and number four support our cause in the United Nations that Hindu nation is born."

At one point Swami Dayanand Pandey is heard saying: "Maine aapko uss din bataya tha Israel ke do log mere paas aaye the. Woh yahi pe baithe hue the. Aur yahin pe kuch baatein bhi huee thi. Jo bhi hai woh pehele sahiyog woh dene wale hai. ("I had told you that day that two people from Israel had come to us. They sat here and talked for a while and whatever it is they promised to cooperate first.")

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The transcripts also speak of the group's plan to seek help from ousted Nepal monarch King Gyanendra. In his conversations with the other accused Purohit explains: "We must understand our requirement. I should tell you that we had a meeting fixed with King Gyanendra for June 24 2006 and then again on February 13 2007. We had fixed this meeting on the phone.

The transcripts also mentions of Queen Aishwarya's interest in Hindu fundamentalism and her association with Purohit.

Swami Dayanand Pandey: "Who is this queen?"

Purohit: "Gyanendra's wife, the maharani. She is anyway attached to him. We have been in contact with her."

A Nepal army official who is acting as a middleman for Purohit and King Gyanendra, through whom Purohit had almost got a clearance to train cadres in Nepal. Talking in particular to Swami Dayanand Pandey, Purohit says: There is a Col Prajwal who is also a brigadier in the intelligence. We had fixed a meeting with a lot of difficulty. I had proposed and the king had accepted that 20 of my men will be given officer training every six months. In a year I will get 40 people and 200 of my men will train for jawans. You being an independent nation ask for AK's from Czech republic and we will pay for the ammunition. The king had accepted the proposal. Just imagine if that had happened."

The transcripts further show that during the meeting, a heated discussion ensued within the group where Retd Major Ramesh Upadhyay announced the last decision.

"The thing is that the Constitution that we are following is not and will not be acceptable to us. Another Constitution will come into place, then the Hindu rashtra will be established but till then, it is not there," Upadhyay stated.

The ATS is hoping this evidence will help them secure conviction, even as they have made the other accused - Himani Sawarkar, serving colonel Bappaditya Dhar and Delhi-based Dr R P singh - the key witnesses in the case.[/html]

Revealed: Lt Col wanted to create Hindu rashtra

Now you can see how serious they were to create a Hindu state for themselves and i'll not be surprised if there are still some of these kind in your military and politicians.

Extremists are every where, its just that our's get more attention in the media for the reasons you know very well.

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Rafael

To further illustrate my point i have found something for you Vinod.

Now you can see how serious they were to create a Hindu state for themselves and i'll not be surprised if there are still some of these kind in your military and politicians.

Extremists are every where, its just that our's get more attention in the media for the reasons you know very well.

Well I do agree that extremists are everywhere. The difference is in scale and their acceptance in society.

I still think that in Indian state institutions like army, bureaucracy etc., these people are very limited in number and don't exercise any influence.

People like Purohit are very much the odd men out, not able to achieve anything substantial. They don't have any real power.

There is no section of Indian society that has called Purohit a hero, that has demonstrated for his release etc. He is a criminal and is being punished as per the due process of law.

There is a reason why your extremists get more attention. They are much more numerous, are causing serious damage inside and outside and are in a much better position to cause havoc than Indians or others. At least that is what the general opinion is.

[Rafael]

^^ Thanks for that.

Btw what do you think about this Mossad connection? Why would israel help them? is it a credible source?

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Rafael

^^ Thanks for that.

Btw what do you think about this Mossad connection? Why would israel help them? is it a credible source?

Frankly, aside from his own alleged confessions, I have not seen anything on this.

It won't make sense for Israel to help such a nutcase and go against the GOI. Theoretically he may have been possibly in touch with some right wingers in Israel without their official involvement. There is no solid reports on any of that either.

At this point and unless more information emerges, I would consider him to be a part of a small clique that wants India to become a Hindu state. Most of us see that as no better than any other religious state.

I can tell you, people in India are religious but not in favor of being ruled by religious nutcases. We have chosen to be a secular democracy, not for others but because that is the only way a diverse country like India can hold together.

[Rafael]

Originally Posted by vinod2070

We have chosen to be a secular democracy, not for others but because that is the only way a diverse country like India can hold together.

And i admire your people, govt. and politicians for that!

[Neo]

US involved in secret talks with senior Taliban

Monday, 23 Nov, 2009

ISLAMABAD: The Obama administration may be close to reversing course on its current strategy in Afghanistan, after DawnNews quoted sources as saying that high-level talks with senior Taliban militants are currently underway.

The indirect talks involve officials from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Britain, and top Afghan Taliban leadership, including the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen Chief and Abdullah Anus, among others.

Sources told DawnNews that Anus is the son in law of Abdullah Azzam, a noted terrorist and former mentor of Osama bin Laden, who was killed along with his sons in Peshawar in 1989.

In addition, Abu Al Hasan Madani, one of the key leaders of Rabta-e-Alam-e-Islami, has also been engaged in the process, as has Abu Jud Mehmood Samrai, an Iraqi who also holds Pakistan nationality and who played a very important role in the Afghan war.

The first round of talks have concluded, and a second, face-to-face meeting is likely after Eid.— DawnNews

[Neo]

Holbrooke confirms talks with Taliban

LAHORE: The United States is not directly talking to the Afghan Taliban, US special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke said on Monday. He said elections in Afghanistan were not perfect but Washington would continue to support the Afghan government, adding that the US was not in direct contact with the Afghan Taliban. Holbrooke said US would support composite dialogue between Pakistan and India but will not act as a mediator, a private news channel reported on Monday.

[Neo]

America in secret dialogue with Afghan Taliban

* TV channel claims Saudis, Pakistanis, Afghan leaders assisting talks * Crucial meeting possible after Eidul Azha

LAHORE: The Obama administration is engaging the Afghan Taliban in secret talks with the help of Britain, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, a private TV channel reported on Monday.

According to the channel, sources said that eight years after the US-led invasion of Afghanistan, the US was engaging top Afghan Taliban leaders in talks.

Abdullah Ans, son-in-law of Abdullah Azaam, who is Osama Bin Ladin’s mentor and the main proponent of the philosophy of jihad; a Saudi resident identified as Abul Hasan Maddi, who is also a key member of Rata Alam-e-Islami; and an Iraqi national identified as Abu Jood Mehmood Samrai have been involved in the secret talks.

In addition to these people, Harkatul Mujahideen chief Fazalur Rehman Khalil is also assisting in the talks, said the channel. The channel reported that these people were engaging the Taliban in Afghanistan, and they may have crucial meeting in Afghanistan after Eidul Azha.

The sources said the Saudi and Pakistani authorities were also trying to engage the Taliban in talks.

Taliban leader Mullah Omar has nominated his shadow foreign minister, Agha Muhtisam, to hold negotiations on behalf of the Taliban. The channel said the Americans – who now wanted to resolve the Afghan crisis through talks – were not directly talking to the Afghan Taliban.

[Neo]

US-Taliban secret talks

According to a private TV report, the US administration is conducting secret talks with the Afghan Taliban with the help of British, Saudi, Iraqi and Pakistani interlocutors. The US special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke has confirmed these reports by stating that the US is not talking directly to the Afghan Taliban. US President Obama is expected to unveil his revised policy on Afghanistan any day now. Speculations about talks with the Taliban started many months ago and were denied feebly. That US public opinion was growing weary of the war in Afghanistan was also not lost upon observers. The details of the matter, however, leave more questions than answers to the lingering problems that triggered the conflict in the first place.

Armed with the UN Security Council’s mandate, the Bush administration, heavily manned by neo-cons, failed to translate the casus belli into terms conforming to the spirit of modern times. Instead of alluding towards the fascist character of the Taliban philosophy and the inevitability of the armed conflict, ungainly parallels were drawn with the medieval Crusades. It was like choosing the preferred terrain of the opponents. The US and NATO allies failed to read the script and public opinion at home remained wary. In order to stem the likely fallout of the death toll at home, the number of troops never matched the challenge. The Afghan government inducted after the Bonn Conference was skewed in favour of minority ethnic communities while the largest ethnic group, the Pashtuns, were left with nominal representation. As a result, the Taliban garnered the bulk of their support from the Pashtuns. The Afghan government has been tainted with allegations of ineptitude, corruption, fissures and, fatally, opaque collaboration with the warlords of yore. The much hyped and tactically crucial cooperation from the real power brokers in Pakistan was not forthcoming. The financial aid required for nation-building in a war-battered Afghanistan never really matched the promises of the donor countries. Beset with such daunting obstacles and burdened with fuzzy neo-con thinking, the Afghan campaign was a doomed enterprise.

The exit strategy, whatever its actual features, will leave behind traces of doubts and apprehensions. Will it mean a return to the previous Taliban regime with a horrendous human rights record? With several regional actors on the scene, will Pakistan be able to safeguard its legitimate interests in Afghanistan? With the US-NATO forces gone, will it be possible to keep the Taliban and al Qaeda genie at bay? The accommodation of the Afghan Taliban in the power corridors of Kabul may leave the future of al Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban intriguing nightmare. Undesirable haste in leaving Afghanistan may prove as perilous as entering Afghanistan without the necessary homework proved. *