Is PAC about to be duped today?

[Interceptor]

Is PAC about to be duped today?

September 29, 2009

By Rauf Klasra

ISLAMABAD: An inquiry report into proposed dubious purchase of three conventional submarines worth $1.5 billion from Germany for the Pakistan Navy - intentionally or unintentionally - has quietly withheld some important information, particularly the financial aspects of the whole deal from the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), which is taking up the issue in its meeting today (Tuesday).

The report is being taken very seriously in the official circles of the PAC in the background of recent French court observation that 11 engineers working on a submarine, were killed in Karachi, reportedly after some Pakistani political personalities of the ‘90s were not paid the “commission” in the whole deal. One official said the PAC members might also try to know the so far hidden facts behind the shocking observations given in the French court.

Meanwhile, in a bid to discourage the PAC, the Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) has told the PAC members in writing not to give weight to the ‘scandalous’ media reports about the submarines deal with Germany or France.

“There may have been press reports on the submarine sales by German/French manufacturers in their respective national media in the past. The same may continue even in the future as these companies are in competition in this field,” the MoDP report shifted the blame on the manufacturers.

The report was sought from the Pakistan Navy after a PML-Q Senator Jamal Leghari had blasted the proposed deal in the Senate in one of its last meetings.

Talking to The News from DG Khan, Jamal Khan said, “We should not forget that how quite recently French court had connected a top Pakistani politician with the killings of engineers in Karachi on the issue of non payment of some commissions in the deal.” He said he had still information that some top guns of the present government were still busy in earning some kickbacks in the deal.

Meanwhile, Defence Secretary Lt Gen Athar Ali was said to have been quietly ordered by President Asif Ali Zardari to go to the USA to give a briefing to Americans on certain important aspect of war on terror and requirements of the Pakistan Army. General Athar was supposed to appear before the PAC on Monday but he has excused and dashed to Washington.

According to available official copy of the inquiry report prepared by the MoDP, just an ordinary overall review of the whole deal has been given in two pages report for PAC consumption. The report has been written in technical language and the PAC members would find it difficult to comprehend the deal.

PAC Chairman Ch Nisar Ali Khan had sought a report and briefing from the MoDP on the issue of acquisition of conventional submarines for the navy.

The report neither gives the required details of total cost of these three submarines nor tells why the German manufacturer was given preference over the French.

http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24748

NB: The German sub deal isn't off, the PAC is discussing any kickbacks coming from it?

[Araz]

This is essentially a good step. We know that kickbacks are a way of life for military acquisitions and this should be discouraged as much as is possible. As long as things are kept clean and above board we will do well to be scrutinized and rebuked for any wrong doings by the senate
Araz

[Solid Beast]

The old order of Pakistan must go, let us strive to further our nation in all fields.

[Mastankhan]

Hi,

Regardless whatever happens, the weapons purchase order for high end equipment must never ever be stopped for anything less than Farman a ILAHI.

Unless God almighty has not spoken and directed to---these orders must be processed as they are. The bribery issues can be taken care of---the time lost in procuring these weapons systems will never be regained. Once behind the eight ball---always will be struggling later on.

[ThunderOmniRole]

Interesting to find one of the few people speaking sense on the thread is banned. Common symptom of pompous Pakistani egos at work yet again unfortunately. Anyways, I will say that I completely disagree with "Araz" and will have to completely agree with Mastankhan.

[ThunderOmniRole]

An inquiry report into proposed dubious purchase of three conventional submarines worth $1.5 billion from Germany for the Pakistan Navy - intentionally or unintentionally - has quietly withheld some important information, particularly the financial aspects of the whole deal from the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), which is taking up the issue in its meeting today (Tuesday).

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This is how this biased article terms the important defense of the seas..."dubious purchase of 3 conventional submarines..."

There is an underlying agenda here. These 3 conventional submarines are not pieces of cardboard being put together in Kazakhstan. This deal only became dubious when the Germans quietly and pompously backed out at the last minute.

Anyone have a clue why? It has to do with the murder of French engineers and this issue being strategically and repeatedly being raised by the Indian lobbies in Europe. It's all tied together and the culprit is Pakistanis shooting each other in the feet and the combined efforts of Indians and Israelis.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by ThunderOmniRole

Interesting to find one of the few people speaking sense on the thread is banned. Common symptom of pompous Pakistani egos at work yet again unfortunately. Anyways, I will say that I completely disagree with "Araz" and will have to completely agree with Mastankhan.

So you're another clone, one of many?
Don't bother to come back, we will keep banning you for the reasons explained already.

[Al Khalid MBT]

Hey I'm new here too, and Thunder was never a member here so no need to be rude. If you tell people not to come back perhaps this place will always be silent. We both are members on other Pakistani fora but not here. Are you the dude who was banned on the other forum too? He without sin, cast the first stone.

PS - Your forum is nothing without people like me and Thunder. Show some respects next time, that's now how you talk to an officer of PAF! As far as we know you sit in some Kaffir land and direct commercial planes for a living. He has lost consciousness and almost died in just day to day training several times, and saw his first action during Soviet war.

On top of being a hostile and uninviting host probably due to jealousy because the same officer you insulted has a great command of his thoughts and English language you insult him when he brought up very legitimate points and you proved him right by being a prick. What an Administration here, wah jee wah more undercover Hindus.

By the way, be really careful who you insult again. I am Thunder's friend. We grew up together but I am in a different branch of forces, armored corp. We are both officers, and at any time can send our Jawans to settle scores with people who insult heros of the nation, we have 2 much time and men to find desa working in Airport and slap him with chappals if you catch my drift.

[WebMaster]

Al Khalid MBT, what are you talking about?

People have been registering "thunder" username and they have always posted abuse and nonense. I think NEO is pointing to that. You should investigate, send PM or use contact us to find out what the story is instead of just barging in like you know what is going on.

[Mastankhan]

Originally Posted by Al Khalid MBT

Hey

By the way, be really careful who you insult again. I am Thunder's friend. We grew up together but I am in a different branch of forces, armored corp. We are both officers, and at any time can send our Jawans to settle scores with people who insult heros of the nation, we have 2 much time and men to find desa working in Airport and slap him with chappals if you catch my drift.

Hi,

Why use such language---if you are an officer act like one. You should have taken a deep breath, counted till ten and then written something back.

See the damage that you have done---I just read thunderomni's post and I got excited---but then---you guys---why get so mad---.