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Old 08-15-2009, 07:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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By Ali Abbas Rizvi

KARACHI: In a departure from the past practice of acquiring submarines from France, Pakistan will buy three German Type 214 submarines.

Walter Freitag, the chief executive officer of the HDW, the largest conventional submarine maker in the world, told The News on Tuesday in an exclusive interview at the IDEAS 2008 here that his company had finalised technical specifications with the navy to build three Type 214 submarines in Pakistan.

“The commercial contract has been finalised up to 95 per cent,” he said, hoping the final contract in this regard will be signed soon. This is the first time that a clear picture of the billion-dollar deal that the Pakistan Navy is expected to sign in coming months has emerged. Earlier, during mid-90s, the navy had selected three French Agosta 90-B submarines, which were in addition to the two acquired earlier. The deal had generated a lot of controversy at that time.

This time French firm Armaris had offered to supply Pakistan three updated single-hulled, diesel-electric submarines — all-French version of the Franco-Spanish Scorpene boat — equipped with air-independent propulsion, a deal totalling about $1.2 billion.

However, Walter Freitag said he did not see that kind of controversy enveloping this project perceived during the 90s. “The Pakistan Navy understands submarines and ours are the best,” he said, rejecting claims of competitors that the Greek Navy had rejected Type 214.

“In the Hellenic Navy’s case, a neutral surveyor was appointed, who decided that the submarine was technically OK and ready for commissioning,” he said. The HDW CEO said the Type 214 was technologically more advanced than those of competitors. “We use higher grade steel material, which allows greater diving depth,” he said. “Also, we have fuel cell AIPs and can integrate Harpoons with the Type 214.”

The first submarine would be delivered to the Pakistan Navy in 64 months after signing of the contract while the rest would be completed successively in 12 months. Walter Freitag stated that they would be using facilities at the Karachi Shipyard for building Type 214 and minimal upgrade would be required. He added that the Type 214 was 100 per cent German and there was no chance of embargo on it in any case.

Meanwhile, authoritative sources told The News that the decision to acquire Type 214 over the French submarine was made not only because the submarine was more advanced than the French Marlin, but also because many countries had deployed the Type 214 submarines, so there would be no issue of spares.

They said Turkey would be acquiring six Type 214s, South Korea had ordered six more in addition to three ordered earlier, Portugal had bought two, besides several bought by the German Navy. As such, supportability for the Type 214 for the next 30-35 years would not be a major concern.

http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=18596
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Zob haven't we taken the other root, I read that the GoP is deciding to go for the French deal instead?
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Pakdef informes us that Zardari stole billions from IMF loans so not tempted to block this for just a few millions... Deal can go ahead.
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Pakdef informes us that Zardari stole billions from IMF loans so not tempted to block this for just a few millions... Deal can go ahead.
Lets stick to german subs and Navy right we can always open a thread on zardari in the right forum.
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Lets stick to german subs and Navy right we can always open a thread on zardari in the right forum.
However the news is true and Zardari has apparently realized that the deal will create a stink which will be bad even for him.So he has backed down a nd the deal is on. Also in contention are a couple of ships from UAE and the Corvettes fom Brunai.Courtesy of HKhan of Pakdef.info
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However the news is true and Zardari has apparently realized that the deal will create a stink which will be bad even for him.So he has backed down a nd the deal is on. Also in contention are a couple of ships from UAE and the Corvettes fom Brunai.Courtesy of HKhan of Pakdef.info
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I haven't said any one is wrong, but I still think we should discuss it in the right forum because its just about one individual from the looks of your post. It will trigger the wrong message and emotions on this thread, lets just bother with Navy news and discussion.

But for your argument we have seen former Pres Musharraf also making decisions regarding AWACS and AEW purchase and may we remind ourselves that Zardari is the Pres of Pakistan and supreme commander of the armed forces.

I dont mind having discussions on individuals but I just feel it will end being a bash thread with everyone bashing on whose bad and whose good.
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I do not think I am going to waste time in what I should or shouldn't post. The mods are there and I am open for sugestions but if the president decides something or acts in a way that influences this proces then I see no other logic then to post. Even in Pakdef it is posted so should we become hlier then the pope? I hope we can stop acting like a moderator. Thanks.
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I read somewhere the deal is off, and the french subs going to be bought. We should post a comparision of the french and german subs here, I think that will kinda make people understand which is better.

PS: Bringing in Zardari and Kickbacks will ruin the entire thread I believe, I think Munir, you should start a new thread on it, it will be interesting again!
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I read somewhere the deal is off, and the french subs going to be bought. We should post a comparision of the french and german subs here, I think that will kinda make people understand which is better.

PS: Bringing in Zardari and Kickbacks will ruin the entire thread I believe, I think Munir, you should start a new thread on it, it will be interesting again!
Thats yesterdays news mate, the deal is on again and my source confirmed it.
I hope we still strike a deal before the end of Aug.
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There is talk of signing of the deal in Sept, or immediately after the german elections. It will be a logical buy for Pakistan and considering that the other ships mentioned are also being maintained by german firms, we are inclined to think the other deals are on as well. This will be a good act for PN and about time that PN gets the attention it deserves.
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