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Old 11-14-2009, 05:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A bit surreal.

It is still good to see that a small number of Pakistanis are realizing the truth. A very large number are in denial and try to find scapegoats all over the place.
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wow! but then no surprises there, dont we see all such apologists all around.

vinod, the issue is, these very minuscule who represent some hope for pakistan are despised to the core and immediately get branded as traitors.

all said and done, music whatever they might convey, was good.
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Yes, some good talent there.
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There is no Pakistani dream to inspire us...mine was to gtfo as quickly as possible from the region. People will label me negative things for saying that from the comfort of their American suburban neighbourhood living room. That's fine, just know that the problems in Pakistan are immense and nothing has been done about it. Take a look at how our economy still hasn't really changed from an agricultural based on as opposed to services. The poor outweight any of us internet capable Pakistani's we are few in number. There are a lot of us but there are many more people who live in pennies a day. Many of these people have better options of being recruited as fighters or some are actually forced into it. You don't see rich fat Pakistani kids becoming Taliban. There is a schism in the country...we are labeled an Islamic Republic yet only the forgotten portion of our society feel it necessary to be governed by strict Shariah.
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SB,

one hardly doubts a guy like you as a problem, probably more like you could be the solution pakistan is looking for.

it is expected that a society which has been exposed to some extreme thoughts for decades now and where terrorism against india was and is justified, there especially the poor of such a society who have to live in extreme conditions to earn their bread and butter will in some ways get inspired to take up the arms against the state or as directed by the state for whatever reason, at least by doing this they have a better chance of earning their living.

the bigger concern is the way a completely radical pov has taken over the country off late and a thought process that is led by the so called elites of the society. these people don’t have to take up arms, what they write, and say is of more significance and if these people start justifying the likes of taliban and don’t see them as a big enough problem (as can be seen in the video) then that is more worrisome since more likely than not it is them in the future who would be in positions of decision makers and some rather absurd decision making can be expected in times to come.

one of the bigger concerns that hit me of the much publicised article on the newyorker was the inspiration of sorts some chaps from the pak army are drawing from the likes of zaid hamid’s.

if that is the course to be taken where eventually the pak army which has had a hand in running the affairs of the country all along, comes across inspired by the likes of zaid’s with a much radicalised civic society more so the people who would call the shots, that calls for a very heady mix and a very uncertain future. what we are seeing today seems like a trailer of times to come and how nasty things could get.

as was once said, pen it mightier than a sword and so is happening for real but sadly the same is happening for bad, the only change i will like to make to above phrase is, change pen with “a thought”.

a thought is indeed mightier than a sword!
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Here is a big slap on the face of our enemies who are misguided or having any misperception about psyche


Taliban under fire from Pakistan’s faithful
Sunday, 15 Nov, 2009


RAIWIND: Inayatullah Khan sits on a dusty rug and prepares to pray at Pakistan's biggest religious gathering of 400,000 Muslims, cursing the Taliban for their ‘unholy crusade’ against humanity.

Khan travelled all the way from the tribal region of South Waziristan to take part in the four-day event, one of the world's largest Islamic meetings, in Raiwind on the outskirts of Pakistan's cultural capital Lahore.

A resident of Kanigurram, a former Taliban hub that the military says it has captured during its ongoing five-week offensive in the northwest, Khan, 50, accused the Taliban of straying from the path of God and butchering Muslims.

‘They call those who refuse to follow their brand of Islam infidels, not knowing they are inviting the wrath of Allah the almighty by killing Muslims, which I call an unholy crusade,’ Khan said.


A Muslim whose faith is important enough to make an arduous three-day journey and sleep in a tent for four days, Khan invited the Taliban ‘to join us in spreading Islam's eternal message of love, affection and peace.’

The Tablighi Ijtema is an annual feature, founded by religious scholars more than five decades ago and focused exclusively on preaching Islam.

The Thursday-Sunday gathering in Raiwind, near the estate of opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, is being held under tight security due to the campaign of attacks that have swept the country killing more than 2,500 people in two years.

Contingents of police guard the single-carriage road, lined by eucalyptus trees, that links Raiwind with downtown Lahore.

Spread over 150 acres of land with a huge parking space made available for thousands of buses and vehicles, the venue looks like a big tented village where pilgrims sleep, say prayers and eat together.

‘Despite having to sleep under tents in cold and inhospitable weather, there is no let-up in our resolve to make this country a cradle of peace, a country free of suicide attacks and explosions,’ Khan said.

Hundreds of camps and sub-camps set up on the dusty ground accommodate people from cities across Pakistan.

Stalls sell cooked food, raw chicken and meat, vegetables and fruit, even electrical appliances and batteries for mobile phones at a subsidised rate.
A mixture of aromatic Pakistani dishes ranging from as little as 10 to 20 rupees gives the religious gathering a festival feel.

Faced with near-daily attacks, concentrated most heavily in the northwest, many mourn the mounting civilian toll from bombings, often targeting market places, but lace their comments with pervasive anti-American fears.

[B]‘Our hearts bleed for the hundreds of innocent people who have lost their lives... and our security officials who are being killed by the Taliban,’ said Mohammad Farooq, from northwest town Tank, where some of the tens of thousands displaced by fighting in South Waziristan have sought shelter.

‘The Taliban are enemies of Islam and humanity[/QUOTE] and advance only an American and Indian agenda -- to destabilise Pakistan,’ said Farhan Hamad Khan, who had come from Dera Ismail Khan, where many other refugees are also living.

When the prayer leader gave the call to prayer, people rushed towards hundreds of temporary washrooms to make their ablutions.

As Mohammad Azhar, an Islamabad-based chartered accountant waited his turn, he remembered how Pakistan's ‘icon of democracy,’ former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, was assassinated in a gun and suicide attack in 2007.

‘Her killers still roam around scot-free,’ said the bearded Azhar. ‘No religion, including Islam, allows the killing of humans.’

We need to hold gatherings like this one and inculcate in our people a true spirit of Islam, which is a code of life for all of us and not the kind of Islam that Taliban want to introduce.’The prayer leader in his Friday sermon addressed the same issue.

‘A stern punishment awaits all those who refuse to follow commandments of Allah the almighty,’ he said into a pin-drop silence among the avid masses.

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Interesting discussion many of you are having.


Care to also discuss "Indian psyche about Maoist/Naxalites"?

http://pakistandefence.net/forums/in...ion-india.html

http://pakistandefence.net/forums/in...ngs-india.html
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^^ Why don't you discuss your pet obsession about Naxals in it's own thread and leave it there? If some people are interested, they will discuss it there! More likely, they will just ignore it.

Don't try and get your pet off-topic BS in every thread.
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Here is a big slap on the face of our enemies who are misguided or having any misperception about psyche
There is no misperception! Most of you are in denial and this can be seen in almost every thread on this very forum, in your TV, in your media, in the statements of your politicians and preachers.

No point in denying the obvious. In this age, lying about facts doesn't work.
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