Timur - Founder of the Timurid Empire

[vinod2070]

Invisible Aryans


The conclusion is inescapable: just as the putative Aryan invasion/migration left no trace in Indian literature, in the archaeological and the anthropological record, it is invisible at the genetic level. If biologists had never been told anything about such a migration, they would be incapable of inferring it from the DNA of Indians, whether tribes or upper castes, from the South or North.


We can now view almost all Indian ethnic groups (except for known recent immigrants, in the North-East for instance) as essentially indigenous. Of course we are all ultimately descendants from Africans, but a period of at least 40,000 years should suffice to earn the label “indigenous.” Moreover, we may jocularly suggest that all non-African populations are basically descendants from Indians. As one study put it, “there are now enough reasons not only to question a ‘recent Indo-Aryan invasion’ into India some 4000 years ago, but alternatively to consider India as a part of the common gene pool ancestral to the diversity of human maternal lineages in Europe.


We must patiently await more advanced studies with larger samples and finer analytic methods. But the genetic wind seems to have turned for good, just as the archaeological wind did some forty years ago. If Indo-Aryans ever migrated to India, they only “trickled in.” But how could such small numbers revolutionise India’s cultural and linguistic landscape? That is another of the many paradoxes on which the invasionist scenario rests, ever more shakily.

[vinod2070]

So DS, try to come up with something better than equating the Muslim invaders who could never mix up with Indians and even now proudly claim their foreign origin and ancestry (Ashraf) with the conjecture that goes by the name of AIT and that has been thoroughly discredited.

It is funny how you guys don't want to accept the Western version of history when it comes to so many other things but latch on to this theory which was never more than a conjecture to begin with.

[A1Kaid]

What is the exact source for this "scientific report", the scientist and researchers must be looked into, their motives, the size of the test pool, also other scientific evidence and research from prominent Universities in the West have concluded otherwise.

"The conclusion is inescapable:"

Those words gave me a hint into the motive(s) of the author and what the writer wants the reader to believe rather than allowing the reader to draw their own conclusion, like every major and prominent research paper allows...

[Lady Macbeth]

I agree with A1Kaid.....please give reliable sources for the info you have just provided us with.

Anyone can pick numbers from the clouds, we need to see the pudding to find the proof.

Thank you.

[vinod2070]

I have shared the link. The references can be found in the link itself.

I don't think he is a person one can have a serious debate with. Anyone seriously wanting to discuss the issue is welcome.

[Lady Macbeth]

Thread closed until further notice.

[Lady Macbeth]

Thread opened for a "healthy respectful debate" so please guys keep it civil.

Dont place me in a difficult situation and keep in mind that the web is an international medium! DONT make a fool of yourself in front of the world

[Neo]

Thread reopened, now please behave!
Thanks!

[A1Kaid]

This is one of the greatest threads on this forum.

[vinod2070]

It would be the invasion and utter destruction and complete devastation of the Khwarezmid Empire which would earn - and rightly - the Mongols the name for bloodthirsty ferocity that would mark the remainder of their campaigns. In this brief war, lasting less than two years, not only was a huge empire destroyed utterly, but Genghis Khan introduced the world to tactics that would not be seen again until the Germans used them so well in World War II - indirect attack, and complete and utter terror and slaughter of populations wholesale as weapons of war.

As usual, the artisans were sent back to Mongolia, the young women and children were given to the Mongol soldiers as slaves, and the rest of the population was massacred. The Persian scholar Juvayni states that 50,000 Mongol soldiers were given the task of executing twenty-four Urgench citizens each, which would mean that 1.2 million people were killed. While this is almost certainly exaggeration, the sacking of Urgench is considered one of the bloodiest massacres in human history.

The garrison at Merv was only about 12,000 men, and the city was inundated with refugees from eastern Khwarezmid. For six days, Tolui besieged the city, and on the seventh day, he assaulted the city. However, the garrison beat back the assault and launched their own counter-attack against the Mongols. The garrison force was similarly forced back into the city. The next day, the city's governor surrendered the city on Tolui's promise that the lives of the citizens would be spared. As soon as the city was handed over, however, Tolui reneged on his promise and slaughtered almost every person who surrendered, in a massacre possibly on a greater scale than that at Urgench. After finishing off Merv, Tolui headed westwards, attacking the cities of Nishapur and Herat. Nishapur fell after only three days and Tolui put every living thing in city, including the cats and dogs, to the sword. After Nishapur's fall, Herat surrendered without a fight. By spring 1221, the province of Khurasan was under complete Mongol rule. Leaving garrison forces behind him, Tolui headed back east to rejoin his father.