Timur - Founder of the Timurid Empire

[vinod2070]

For me, the response of the Pakistanis on this thread will mark a test of how seriously they take their claim of Islam being a "peaceful and tolerant" religion.

Its not your talk that matters when you are weak, it is what you show in your own places that matter and show your true opinions.

[vinod2070]

He captured Maaladeva while he was fleeing near the upper Chenab and had the great joy of making him eat beef and forsake Hinduism for Islam.

This is the reality of the vast majority of today's Muslims. Not only in Pakistan/Afghanistan/Persia etc. but almost everywhere.

Almost all converts have the same story, a heartbreaking one. Their ancestors were treated badly by one set of Muslims and forcibly converted and they did the same in their turn to others. The frenzy feeding on itself.

P.S.: Many Muslims today may be happy to read this bestiality. Without realizing it was also done to their own forefathers! Perhaps the progenies of Maaladeva are today Pakistanis, not even realizing what was done to their forefathers by the barbaric filthy invaders.

[Singh]

Who killed more Muslims - Timur or Nader Shah or Afghans or Rest of the world ?

[Singh]

Excellent ripostes Vinodji. Timur proud annihilator of local muslims - the arabs won't care :p

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Singh

Excellent ripostes Vinodji. Timur proud annihilator of local muslims - the arabs won't care :p

Exactly. The Mongols were looked at as the scourge of God by Arabs. Same as Turks (who were led by Mongols in the latter part of Mongol empire) were called the scourge of God by Europeans.

Both were absolute barbarians, no civilization, genocidal, scum of the earth.

I never thought one could be proud of them!

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Singh

Who killed more Muslims - Timur or Nader Shah or Afghans or Rest of the world ?

I guess for many the genocide of Muslims is also acceptable as long as more number of non Muslims were murdered!

As long as they differentiate between the death of non Muslims (as something desirable) and Muslims (something good if it results in death of more non Muslims), the rest of the world can't sympathize when Muslims suffer in Palestine or Lebanon or Gaza.

Unfortunate but true. First learn to value each life irrespective of religion. Then expect it from others.

[Solid Beast]

The title of the thread was a bit provoking in my opinion, thread title changed.

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Singh

Obviously those muslims would be proud of Timur et Genghis whose ancestors weren't killed by them ? Since all Pakistanis are either descendants of Arabs or Persians so they wouldn't mind if the subcontinental muslims were brutally murdered, raped and looted by Timur and his band of turks.

They only think so!

This is by a Pakistani writer:

One irony, of course, is that contrary to their wishful thinking, the vast majority of Muslims in the subcontinent have more Hindu blood in their veins than there is Arab, Afghan, Turkish or Persian blood. Many of the invaders took Hindu wives and concubines. And many Hindus converted to Islam to further their military or civil service careers. As a result of this intermingling, despite proud boasts of pure bloodlines, most Pakistanis have many Hindu ancestors.

Obviously most have Hindu blood in their veins or mixed blood which again makes them have Hindu ancestry.

How can one enjoy the genocide of one's own ancestors (even after conversion) is beyond me.

Actually how can a human being enjoy genocide of any other human beings is beyond me. Does conversion to Islam make people leave humanity itself! Does the person not remain a member of "Homo Sapiens" species?

And then the claim of being a "peaceful and tolerant" religion! What is your definition of that. Does that go hand in hand with perpetrating rapes and genocides, taking pride in such happenings (even on one's own forefathers)? Does the Islamic definition of being "peaceful and tolerant"mean this?

[Singh]

then how can any Subcontinental Muslim be proud of these barbarians ? :o :s

[Singh]

If Timur, Genghis Khan Nader Shah etc. are heroes of Islam , then isn't it hypocritical to claim Islam is a religion of peace and that there is no compulsion in religion ?