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Old 01-20-2010, 09:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Defining ‘strategic depth’

And how does it help us? We are engaged in the Great Game in Afghanistan, we are told, because ‘strategic depth’ is vital for Pakistan due to the fact that our country is very narrow at its middle and could well be cut into half by an Indian attack in force.

Strategic depth, we are further informed, will give respite to our armed forces which could withdraw into Afghanistan to then regroup and mount counter-attacks on Indian forces in Pakistan. I ask you!

I ask you for several reasons. Let us presume that the Indians are foolish enough to get distracted from educating their people, some of whom go to some of the best centres of learning in the world. Let us assume that they are idiotic enough to opt for war instead of industrialising themselves and meeting their economic growth targets which are among the highest in the world.

Let us imagine that they are cretinous enough to go to war with a nuclear-armed Pakistan and effectively put an immediate and complete end to their multi-million dollar tourism industry. Let us suppose that they lose all sense, all reason, and actually attack Pakistan and cut our country into half.

Will our army pack its bags and escape into Afghanistan? How will it disengage itself from the fighting? What route will it use, through which mountain passes? Will the Peshawar Corps gun its tanks and troop carriers and trucks and towed artillery and head into the Khyber Pass, and on to Jalalabad? Will the Karachi and Quetta Corps do likewise through the Bolan and Khojak passes?

And what happens to the Lahore and Sialkot and Multan and Gujranwala and Bahawalpur and other garrisons? What about the air force? Far more than anything else, what about the by now 180 million people of the country? What ‘strategic depth’ do our Rommels and Guderians talk about, please? What poppycock is this?

More importantly, how can Afghanistan be our ‘strategic depth’ when most Afghans hate our guts, not only the northerners, but even those who call themselves Pakhtuns?

Case in point: the absolute and repeated refusal of even the Taliban government when it was misruling Afghanistan, to accept the Durand Line as the international border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, despite the fact that it was a surrogate of Pakistan — propped into power; paid for; and helped militarily, diplomatically and politically by the Pakistani government and its ‘agencies’.

Indeed, it even refused the Commando’s interior minister, the loudmouth Gen Moinuddin Haider when he went to Kabul to ask for the extradition of Pakistani criminals being sheltered by the Taliban. We must remember that the Commando, as chief executive of the country, was pressing the Foreign Office till just a few days before 9/11 to use every effort to have the Taliban regime’ recognised by more countries!

This poppycock of ‘strategic depth’ can only be explained by our great military thinkers and strategists and geniuses: it is not for mortals like yours truly to make sense of any of it. Particularly because this nonsense can only happen after the Americans depart from Afghanistan. And what, pray, is the guarantee that they will leave when they say they will?

Why this subject at this time, you might well ask. Well I have just been reading David Sanger’s The Inheritance in which he meticulously lays out the reasons why he believes the Pakistani “dual policy” towards the Taliban exists.

On page 247 he states that when Michael McConnell, the then chief of US National Intelligence went to Pakistan in late May 2008 (three months after the elections that trounced Musharraf and his King’s Party, mark) he heard Pakistani officers make the case for the Pakistani need for having a friendly government in Kabul after the Americans departed.

When he got back to Washington McConnell “ordered up a full assessment” of the situation. ‘It did not take long … Musharraf’s record of duplicity was well known. While Kayani was a favourite of the White House, he had also been overheard — presumably on telephone intercepts — referring to one of the most brutal of the Taliban leaders, Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani, as a “strategic asset”. Interesting, for Kayani’s former boss, Musharraf is quoted thus in Der Spiegel:

Spiegel: “Let us talk about the role of the ISI. A short time ago, US newspapers reported that ISI has systematically supported Taliban groups. Is that true?”

Musharraf: “Intelligence always has access to other networks — this is what Americans did with KGB, this is what ISI also does. You should understand that the army is on board to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda. I have always been against the Taliban. Don’t try to lecture us about how we should handle this tactically. I will give you an example: Siraj Haqqani ...”

Spiegel: “... a powerful Taliban commander who is allegedly secretly allied with the ISI.”

Musharraf: “He is the man who has influence over Baitullah Mehsud, a dangerous terrorist, the fiercest commander in South Waziristan and the murderer of Benazir Bhutto as we know today. Mehsud kidnapped our ambassador in Kabul and our intelligence used Haqqani’s influence to get him released. Now, that does not mean that Haqqani is supported by us. The intelligence service is using certain enemies against other enemies. And it is better to tackle them one by one than making them all enemies.”

Well, there they go again!

But back to ‘strategic depth’. Will the likes of Sirajuddin Haqqani, son of Jalaluddin Haqqani, help Pakistan gain this ‘depth’ in Afghanistan? Are we that gone that we need these backward yahoos to save our army?

PS By the way what about our nuclear weapons? Are they not enough to stop the Indians in their tracks? What poppycock is this ‘strategic depth’?!

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Well Kamran Deserter (i call him this coz he calls him a Commando), both have earned it!), i think you have lost it completely!. i have a question for you; when was the last time you saw someone in Pakistan (the military, govt, intelligence etc) talking about this strategic depth? When was the last time we seemed worrisome in this?

Digging graves would only get you to rotten flesh and nothing else.

Sir Deserter, do you actually think this would materialize? Mr Kamran while you lose your intellect in totality i have this to say about strategic depth on a personal note; do you actually believe that we would allow the indian 96-hour-wishful-onslaught to cross the Indus and then we would execute the plans that bases and defend Pakistan from an area which neither has fuel, ammo, water, roads but only poor trafficability?
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If they are not talking openly about it now, it doesn't mean the generals have necessarily given up the dream. The support to Taliban shows the dream is still alive within PA.
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You still need to prove the 'support' Vinod.

yes we might still be thinking about it, but it justify the way the author portrayed Strategic Depth?
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You still need to prove the 'support' Vinod.

yes we might still be thinking about it, but it justify the way the author portrayed Strategic Depth?
North Waziristan, Haqqani, Quetta shura, Mulla Omar ring a bell?

This definition of strategic depth is something I read in Pakistani writings when Taliban was going strong Afghanistan.

No indicatons so far that Pakistan has made a U turn.
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North Waziristan, Haqqani, Quetta shura, Mulla Omar ring a bell?
And that tell you we support TALIBAN, lovely.

BTW, i was talking about the proofs, something that might suggest we support them. Not a girl talk where the US tells something and one believes it.
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And that tell you we support TALIBAN, lovely.

BTW, i was talking about the proofs, something that might suggest we support them. Not a girl talk where the US tells something and one believes it.
What kind of proof are you looking at?

Will the PA going after these guys in North Waziristan soon be enough of a proof? Drone attacks on them?

You may want to define support as actively helping them or arming them directly. Even passive support like letting them have sanctuaries in your land and regroup and rearm there, counts for support.
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What kind of proof are you looking at?
You tell me.

What can you give?

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Will the PA going after these guys in North Waziristan soon be enough of a proof? Drone attacks on them?

You may want to define support as actively helping them or arming them directly. Even passive support like letting them have sanctuaries in your land and regroup and rearm there, counts for support.
Unfortunately, we are PA not IA that can fight on two (or may be more) fronts, we are already committed, for us the guys who pose us a direct threat are more worrisome than the ones who may/would pose threat (that too INDIRECT) in the longer run.

i hope you understand prioritization, that's what we are doing out there, which i think you deliberately fail to understand.

Still looking forward to the proves that would support your claims!
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You tell me.

What can you give?
I have told you already. The Taliban and others are regrouping in Pakistan and find a safe sanctuary and no one doubts it. If you want to dispute it for the sake of it, I am afraid we can't go much further.

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Unfortunately, we are PA not IA that can fight on two (or may be more) fronts, we are already committed, for us the guys who pose us a direct threat are more worrisome than the ones who may/would pose threat (that too INDIRECT) in the longer run.

i hope you understand prioritization, that's what we are doing out there, which i think you deliberately fail to understand.

Still looking forward to the proves that would support your claims!
Let's be clear what your position is. You seem to be saying here that these Afghan militants are a lower priority for you than those who directly attack you. If that is the case, you are admitting that they find a sanctuary in Pakistan!

If that is your position, we can discuss that angle now.
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I have told you already. The Taliban and others are regrouping in Pakistan and find a safe sanctuary and no one doubts it. If you want to dispute it for the sake of it, I am afraid we can't go much further.

The Talibans and other are getting a guud beating in Pakistan and they are on the run and no one doubts it. if you want to dispute this fact for the sake of it, surely, we cant go much further.
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Let's be clear what your position is. You seem to be saying here that these Afghan militants are a lower priority for you than those who directly attack you. If that is the case, you are admitting that they find a sanctuary in Pakistan!

If that is your position, we can discuss that angle now.
Again the same old habit of extrapolation.

Yes they are presently a lower profile for us, read again for us (we dont seem to care whether they are high profile for the US or indian or any other in the play ground). But who would they find a sanctuary in Pakistan by this stance of ours? You arent beating the Naxalites, so should i say they are being provided sancturies by india?

We also have terroists rather insurgents in Balochistan, but do you see an operation aginst them at this point of time? So would this also mean that we are providing the snacturies to them? i would rather suggest you stop providing assistance to them and that would seriously/adversely affect their 'sanctuaries'.
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