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Old 10-03-2009, 09:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past - Telegraph

A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

Ali Nourizadeh, of the Centre for Arab and Iranian Studies, said: "This aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's background explains a lot about him.

"Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith.

"By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections. He feels vulnerable in a radical Shia society."

A London-based expert on Iranian Jewry said that "jian" ending to the name specifically showed the family had been practising Jews.

"He has changed his name for religious reasons, or at least his parents had," said the Iranian-born Jew living in London. "Sabourjian is well known Jewish name in Iran."

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London said it would not be drawn on Mr Ahmadinejad's background. "It's not something we'd talk about," said Ron Gidor, a spokesman.

The Iranian leader has not denied his name was changed when his family moved to Tehran in the 1950s. But he has never revealed what it was change from or directly addressed the reason for the switch.

Relatives have previously said a mixture of religious reasons and economic pressures forced his blacksmith father Ahmad to change when Mr Ahmadinejad was aged four.

The Iranian president grew up to be a qualified engineer with a doctorate in traffic management. He served in the Revolutionary Guards militia before going on to make his name in hardline politics in the capital.

During this year's presidential debate on television he was goaded to admit that his name had changed but he ignored the jibe.

However Mehdi Khazali, an internet blogger, who called for an investigation of Mr Ahmadinejad's roots was arrested this summer.

Mr Ahmadinejad has regularly levelled bitter criticism at Israel, questioned its right to exist and denied the Holocaust. British diplomats walked out of a UN meeting last month after the Iranian president denounced Israel's 'genocide, barbarism and racism.'

Benjamin Netanyahu made an impassioned denunciation of the Iranian leader at the same UN summit. "Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust a lie spoke from this podium," he said. "A mere six decades after the Holocaust, you give legitimacy to a man who denies the murder of six million Jews while promising to wipe out the State of Israel, the State of the Jews. What a disgrace. What a mockery of the charter of the United Nations."

Mr Ahmadinejad has been consistently outspoken about the Nazi attempt to wipe out the Jewish race. "They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he declared at a conference on the holocaust staged in Tehran in 2006.
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If this is true, his bitterness against Jews is not really surprising. He has to try harder than others!
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Another ploy by this Hindu to create division, mischief, conspiracy, and distraction between the Muslims.



Well let be make it clear the Iranian/Persian Jews have spoken.


Message from Iranian Jews to the Zionist and Jews in Israel and to the World.




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Another ploy by this Hindu to create division, mischief, conspiracy, and distraction between the Muslims.
But it is a UK newspaper reporting the story.

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Well let be make it clear the Iranian/Persian Jews have spoken.


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They may and good for them. This does not discount the original issue raised!
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Another ploy by this Hindu to create division, mischief, conspiracy, and distraction between the Muslims.
How is this a ploy of Hindus??

It is clear that he has a Jewish descent and his parents have converted to Islam. He is trying hard to prove himself more muslim and less jewish by vehemently criticizing Israel whose people happened to be jewish.
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Funny how the media reports that his open hatred towards Israel is due to the fact that he has jewish roots. And you know what would be even funnier if a person whose PARENTS(lets say Obama for example) converted from Islam to some other religion came up with some 'mambo jambo' about Islam......you guys are wise enough to know how THAT would be quoted. Even if it was an average person, the coverage he would get would be laudable.
Just imagine, there it would be in bold print in some newspaper that might be keeping pace with 'OK Magazine'(UK based gossip newspaper)

I was muslim and now I am proud to be blah blah blah....
Muslims are terrorists etc etc
Muslim scholar ate my canary and thats why I hate them
and other such priceless headings.....


"Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith.
"By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections
- as quoted by Vinod

This is the most absurd theory I have ever heard but hey.....it is very logical to individuals who sit on the bench in council parks with a beer in one hand and a neon
TO LET
sign where their brains should be.

C mon V fish up some better stories to post.......maybe the one about the muslim scholar who ate some poor converts canary????
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Funny how the media reports that his open hatred towards Israel is due to the fact that he has jewish roots. And you know what would be even funnier if a person whose PARENTS(lets say Obama for example) converted from Islam to some other religion came up with some 'mambo jambo' about Islam......you guys are wise enough to know how THAT would be quoted. Even if it was an average person, the coverage he would get would be laudable.
Just imagine, there it would be in bold print in some newspaper that might be keeping pace with 'OK Magazine'(UK based gossip newspaper)

I was muslim and now I am proud to be blah blah blah....
Muslims are terrorists etc etc
Muslim scholar ate my canary and thats why I hate them
and other such priceless headings.....


"Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith.
"By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections
- as quoted by Vinod

This is the most absurd theory I have ever heard but hey.....it is very logical to individuals who sit on the bench in council parks with a beer in one hand and a neon
TO LET
sign where their brains should be.

C mon V fish up some better stories to post.......maybe the one about the muslim scholar who ate some poor converts canary????
Are you denying that a new convert is more fervent than the old timers?

Don't you have a saying: "Naya-2 mullah jyada jaur se baang deta hai" or some such?

It is a fact of human nature that a new convert to any cause (or religion) is more fervent. In the case of changing the religion (and to Islam on that), that would mean condemning and berating your previous religion and identity, something we are too familiar with.

No other Muslim nationals have so much issues with Hindus and Hinduism otrher than Pakistanis (or some Bangladeshis). Know the reason? Can you guess?

This is not hatred for us, this is self loathing for the most part! A need to be accepted by the Arabs, an endless race that never comes to an end. I have quoted Sir Vidia on this a coupel of times earlier. He has it well covered in "Among the believers". Try and read the book, with a neutral mind if possible.

So yes, it would make sense for this Ahmednejad guy to be more critical than other Muslims if he has a Jewish past and needs to be accepted in a society that is run by hardline Islamists. Else it would be too easy for others to brand him a Zionist, like your own Imran Khan was in Pakistan, just for marrying a Jewess who converted to Islam!

P.S.: BTW, you had some kind of telepathy here! You talked of beer and here I am enjoying a chilled beer. I do that very rarely.
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Oh and you are saying that new converts especially Muslims hate their previous religion because they are caught in a mind warp of self loathing???? Couldnt it just be the other way round???
They converted because they saw LIGHT??? (and this isnt just limited to converts to Islam)
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Don't you have a saying: "Naya-2 mullah jyada jaur se baang deta hai" or some such?

/QUOTE]

HUN????
Someone will have to translate this is English or even the language it is supposed to be in!!!
Maybe these past few weeks away have made me a bit 'rusty' but I really didnt get the BAANG bit!
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P.S.: BTW, you had some kind of telepathy here! You talked of beer and here I am enjoying a chilled beer. I do that very rarely.
And sitting on a bench in a council park??? Please tell me you dont have the NEON sign as well???? Itll be too much of my mind doing tricks on me and I'll have to pack up and exchange my computer for a crystal ball and some curly weave that was made up of hair from a horses tushy!
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