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Old 07-21-2010, 08:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape

Sabbar Kashur, 30, was found guilty of rape by deception and sentenced to 18 months in prison.

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An Arab resident of Jerusalem who had consensual sex with a woman who believed him to be Jewish, was convicted yesterday of rape by deception and sentenced to 18 months in prison by the Jerusalem District Court.

Sabbar Kashur, 30, was convicted as part of a plea bargain. According to the indictment, Kashur met the complainant in September 2008 in downtown Jerusalem, presenting himself as a Jewish bachelor looking for a serious romantic relationship.

The couple then went to a nearby building and had sex, after which Kashur left the building without waiting for the woman to get dressed.

When the woman found Kashur was not a Jew but an Arab, she filed a complaint that resulted in charges of rape and indecent assault.

In the verdict, deputy president of the Jerusalem district court Tzvi Segal, along with fellow judges Moshe Drori and Yoram Noam, wrote that although this wasn't "a classical rape by force," and the sex was consensual, the consent itself was obtained through deception and under false pretenses.

"If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," the judges wrote.

Segal further wrote that this was not a case to be resolved by having the convicted defendant undertake community service, as was suggested by the defense team in the plea bargain.

Protecting the public interest

"The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price - the sanctity of their bodies and souls," Segal wrote.

"When the very basis of trust between human beings drops, especially when the matters at hand are so intimate, sensitive and fateful, the court is required to stand firmly at the side of the victims ... otherwise, they will be used, manipulated and misled, while paying only a tolerable and symbolic price," he wrote.

Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
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Old 07-21-2010, 08:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Erm ok so any man who lies just so he can get laid should be prosecuted and sentenced???

Er no, just when he is an Aarb posing to be a "JEW"

This is blatant racism under the guise of "little miss muffet".....If someones religion/origin or personal belief matters so much to you maybe you should have tried to get to know him better than sleep with him straightaway without getting to know a bit more about him.

I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and an Arab muslim lady had been raped by a Jew (really raped!!!!! not the joke above) there would have been no headlines anywhere let alone the LA times
ISRAEL: Arab man convicted of rape after posing as Jew to seduce woman | Babylon & Beyond | Los Angeles Times

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Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
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Default Re: Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape

Very interesting story. This of course is a matter for the Israeli judiciary to resolve in accordance with their own legal system.

Now I do agree that there is a double standard point made in the article. There would not be such charges of "rape by deception" I think what I disagree is with the charges themselves it's not a "rape" at all perhaps it can be categorized though "consensual sex via deceitful means" I'm not sure if this man would be charged in other countries but "rape" is a strong and invalid charge.

He may have lied to her about his true identity.If the court is just and honest I don't think he will be convicted of rape.

Or maybe he could say to the court and lady that he converted to Judeasim the night before...LOL
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what if a man poses as a rich man and on the basis of that a woman consensually sleeps with him. However, she later finds out he is not rich and now is raged and believe she would have not consented to sex if she saw thought the lies. I think stories like this have happened before and the guy posing as a rich man has never been convicted of "rape" that charge is invalid because the original act of sex was consensual, hence not a rape at all. Just sex attained through deceptive means via lieing about ones religion/race.
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When the woman found Kashur was not a Jew but an Arab, she filed a complaint that resulted in charges of rape and indecent assault.


What I would like to know is how did she find out?!

Did she hear him speaking Arabic? (my guess)
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it is the case of the grass being greener for gentiles while the Goyem can be treated anyway you like.This is the teaching of talmud and this is reflective of it. Sex by consent can not be equated with rape.period. If she wanted to confirm it she should have held on to her whatevers till she had made a few enquiries.
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Ok.... I want to laugh on this one. Moments ago it was all pleasure for the women, and moments later it became Rape? "Kia yeh Khulla Tazad nahin?"
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to be an Arab is a crime but to be a Jewish is nt a crime wow . as they wer in lov nd she did it by her will so there must nt be any problem. the case is clear as water
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Erm ok so any man who lies just so he can get laid should be prosecuted and sentenced???

Er no, just when he is an Aarb posing to be a "JEW"

This is blatant racism under the guise of "little miss muffet".....If someones religion/origin or personal belief matters so much to you maybe you should have tried to get to know him better than sleep with him straightaway without getting to know a bit more about him.

I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and an Arab muslim lady had been raped by a Jew (really raped!!!!! not the joke above) there would have been no headlines anywhere let alone the LA times
ISRAEL: Arab man convicted of rape after posing as Jew to seduce woman | Babylon & Beyond | Los Angeles Times

Or the Haaretz


Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Rather than just blaming the Jews, why not think if the follower of the "final and perfect faith" acted in accordance with the teachings of his religion?

Shouldn't he be stoned to death as per his own religion? This punishment seems too mellow in comparison?

Erm ok so any man who lies just so he can get laid should be prosecuted and sentenced???

Just so he can get laid! You call that just! Your religion prescribes stoning by death for "just" this crime.

Even now, there is a girl waiting in a prison in Iran so that she can grow up to the right age to be stoned to death. With the right sized stones! Not too small that don't cause pain and not too large that bring a quick death!

Just!
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Rather than just blaming the Jews, why not think if the follower of the "final and perfect faith" acted in accordance with the teachings of his religion?

Shouldn't he be stoned to death as per his own religion? This punishment seems too mellow in comparison?

Erm ok so any man who lies just so he can get laid should be prosecuted and sentenced???

Just so he can get laid! You call that just! Your religion prescribes stoning by death for "just" this crime.

Even now, there is a girl waiting in a prison in Iran so that she can grow up to the right age to be stoned to death. With the right sized stones! Not too small that don't cause pain and not too large that bring a quick death!

Just!
Who is blaiming the Jews? I am merely criticizing:

-the woman in the witness box. Ho, ho, ho (no offense intended)....christmas came early I guess!
Should have waited a bit before procreating with the scumbag of a man (but then most men are scumbags anyway, she should have known better, wham bam dot dot dot???).
(Anyway according to Kashur, he was exiting a grocery store in downtown Jerusalem around midday when a woman in her late 20s began to talk to him. "I would say she set upon me. She was interested in my motorcycle and so we talked. I didn't pretend. I said my name is Dudu because that's how everybody knows me.")


-And the Israeli judicial system??? Seems like the judges are law student who are marking his own papers. Apparently the judge presiding over this case Tzvi Segal, the deputy president of the Jerusalem district court, is one of the most biased people I have ever read about.
If you read a bit about him, Judge Zvi Segal was the same judge presiding over the case of the Ethiopian immigrant run over by the Rabbi and the Rabbi was let off.
Another case was the sentencing a few months ago (I think March 2010)of the mother, of abused children (the abuse including hitting the kids, cutting them with blades, causing severe burns by fire, force-feeding them faeces) in Jesuralem whilst her husband a rabbi and a partner in crime to the lady was let off by Tzvi Segal since a conviction would hurt the rabbi’s chances at getting a seat on the religious court.
Would you call this fair? One perp convicted and serving while the others let off?

And where does it say the man was a muslim? I couldnt find anything other than him being ARAB!! Could be christain etc, no? Anyway doesnt really matter what religion he was (atleast to me, I am not the one looking to "get by", lol).

Talking of Iran and the Azer Bagheri case, well it seems like the case is still under question whether the stoning to death should be overturned by ninety lashes (which is still beastly none the less).

Then again some laws in Iran and Saudia are being taken for a ride under the guise of religion. But even there the punishment for adultery is death, be it with a Muslim, Christain, Jew or Hindu.
In Judism however (and its in their holy book as well) if one non jew has sex with a Jew lady/or a JEWS wife, he ought to be put to death based on the fact that he is a non Jew. So it seems actually raping a non Jew woman is Kosher but having sex with a Jewish lady is not Kashur(sorry couldnt help with the "Kosher" pun, lol).

Anyway the issue here is the fact that a NON JEW is being punished for having sex with a Jewish lady, I dont want it to become the countless Islam versus the world threads (as you are aware I lose interest over repeated "cut and come agains").
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