Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape

[vinod2070]

I am not sure I am following you. Are you saying that this Arab (who had an extra marital fornication with a non Muslim woman and apparently lied to him to do this) should be just let off after the woman accuses him of fraud?

Aren't you going against your own Sharia and religion which considers this to be the most heinous crime worthy of killing the people involved with brutal death?

Its apparent that the Israeli law didn't think so and the same person in an Islamic country would be dead by stoning now.

The Jews (and other religions) may have equally foolish laws as well but they are not implementing them in any society. They know that religion is to be kept separate from politics.

Just because the newspaper didn't find it necessary to mention his religion doesn't take away from an obvious fact. If he were not a Muslim, it would surely be mentioned.

[vinod2070]

In Judism however (and its in their holy book as well) if one non jew has sex with a Jew lady/or a JEWS wife, he ought to be put to death based on the fact that he is a non Jew. So it seems actually raping a non Jew woman is Kosher but having sex with a Jewish lady is not Kashur(sorry couldnt help with the "Kosher" pun, lol).

I think this is unfair and if the Israeli laws also follow this practice, it is a shame on them.

Just like saying that a Muslim man can marry a woman of other religions (and convert her) but a Muslim woman can't do the same.

[vinod2070]

If someones religion/origin or personal belief matters so much to you

That's interesting!

Are you sure this person's ethnicity and religion are not a factor in your support for him? Even when he was flouting the same religion!

And if someone's religion doesn't matter, why divide a country over the same? Why kill people over "personal belief"? Why condemn a large majority of the world's population to eternal hellfire just because they are not convinced of what one person claimed!

[A1Kaid]

We don't know what the religion of this Arab man is or what he truly believes in and practices.

In realistic terms this is a matter for the Israeli judiciary. If you want to make an argument make a legal argument not a dogmatic one, because it simply will not apply in this case.

[Lady Macbeth]

Originally Posted by vinod2070

I am not sure I am following you. Are you saying that this Arab (who had an extra marital fornication with a non Muslim woman and apparently lied to him to do this) should be just let off after the woman accuses him of fraud?

Aren't you going against your own Sharia and religion which considers this to be the most heinous crime worthy of killing the people involved with brutal death?

Its apparent that the Israeli law didn't think so and the same person in an Islamic country would be dead by stoning now.

I am saying just that!!!! Unless Jewish men who trick ladies of Jewish/Islamic/Christian descent arent convicted and dealt with there will be various merrymen hoping to get a "leg up" (no offense intended) over the justice system.

I do, however, feel his wife should deal with him in a manner he deserves *to the guillotine*.

Originally Posted by vinod2070

The Jews (and other religions) may have equally foolish laws as well but they are not implementing them in any society. They know that religion is to be kept separate from politics.

You have got to be kidding me here , V.
What part of Israel is a "JEWISH" state that has implemented laws on the Jewish laws (Halacha)do you chose to ignore???? There is apparent boasting of..... (yet not observed at all) "influences of British and Canadian Laws" , which are sidelined, but the main courts of justice in Israel operates on a single halachic standard for the personal status of its citizens.

Anyway why do you think the Rabbinate court decided to preside over this case of Kashur if matters of civil interest arent dealt with in that manner????

Originally Posted by vinod2070

Just because the newspaper didn't find it necessary to mention his religion doesn't take away from an obvious fact. If he were not a Muslim, it would surely be mentioned.

This has got to be the funniest thing you have said in a long time, V. Lol, do you honestly think the media goes to such lengths to be Islam friendly. They would give us the news but only half of it, leaving the juicy bit out??? Thats just shoddy journalism dont you think?

Anyway apparently the man had converted to Judaism by a rabbi in America but his status as a Jew was not recognized by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

Some new sources even cliamed that in America he is Jewish, based on descent, but not in Israel. His crime was that he had "consensual" sexual intercourse with a woman recognised as Jewish by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

Other news sources claim that he was a druze (The Druze).

Lo and behold apparently he is a manifestation of all three Israeli religions ie Christianity, Judism and Islam plus a sprinkle of Hinduism.

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Lady Macbeth

I am saying just that!!!! Unless Jewish men who trick ladies of Jewish/Islamic/Christian descent arent convicted and dealt with there will be various merrymen hoping to get a "leg up" (no offense intended) over the justice system.

This case is real. Your grievances against "Jewish men" seem hypothetical unless you have some solid facts. I do agree that such tricksters should be punished though, irrespective of their faith.

I do, however, feel his wife should deal with him in a manner he deserves *to the guillotine*.

So, you are converting a legal issue into a domestic one? If he does have a wife, she would be probably in Burqa and one among many. He would anyway get his fill (pun intended) and likely divorce the ones that speaks too much.

No compensation for the wife in this case unlike Mrs. Woods.

You have got to be kidding me here , V.
What part of Israel is a "JEWISH" state that has implemented laws on the Jewish laws (Halacha)do you chose to ignore???? There is apparent boasting of..... (yet not observed at all) "influences of British and Canadian Laws" , which are sidelined, but the main courts of justice in Israel operates on a single halachic standard for the personal status of its citizens.

OK. I know little about their legal system but never heard people being stoned to death or lashed or limbs being chopped off in Israel, only in their peaceful and tolerant Islamic neighbors.

You learn something new every day. Thanks for this info. It shouldn't be particularly shocking for you though. Most Muslim majority countries have (or aspire to) Islamic Shariah including yours.

Why expect better from others?

Anyway why do you think the Rabbinate court decided to preside over this case of Kashur if matters of civil interest arent dealt with in that manner????

No idea. I didn't give any importance to this part. My bad.

This has got to be the funniest thing you have said in a long time, V. Lol, do you honestly think the media goes to such lengths to be Islam friendly. They would give us the news but only half of it, leaving the juicy bit out??? Thats just shoddy journalism dont you think?

Well they do. In many cases they don't mention the religion of these people even though it is obvious.

Another example is the conspiracy of silence in Swedish media about the mayhem of Muslim immigrants there that has converted this formerly beautiful and tolerant country into a heaven of rape and crime.

YouTube

YouTube

True to form, the Muslims there consider the local Swedish girls as whores (quite openly so) that can be raped at will while their own ones are to be safely kept behind niqabs (often at the pain of death).

Anyway apparently the man had converted to Judaism by a rabbi in America but his status as a Jew was not recognized by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

OK. Any links? I have seen no such report.

Some new sources even cliamed that in America he is Jewish, based on descent, but not in Israel. His crime was that he had "consensual" sexual intercourse with a woman recognised as Jewish by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.

Other news sources claim that he was a druze (The Druze).

Then you have no case! Its the Jews punishing another fellow Jew. No racism. Case closed!

Lo and behold apparently he is a manifestation of all three Israeli religions ie Christianity, Judism and Islam plus a sprinkle of Hinduism.

How did the last part come in? Even Christianity?

[vinod2070]

One more video on Sweden:

YouTube

YouTube

Watch it in full. This time you can't say that the religion of those who who are beating the Jews on street is not mentioned! That they are likely "East Europeans"! It is clear the Arabs are throwing bombs on peaceful demonstrations in countries that have allowed them in.

Fact is that these people run away from the problems of their own Islamic countries into secular democracies but create the same extremism wherever they go.

The secular democratic world has to face this problem head on. Too much hand wringing is going on, too little action to tackle the problem.

[Lady Macbeth]

Originally Posted by vinod2070

This case is real. Your grievances against "Jewish men" seem hypothetical unless you have some solid facts. I do agree that such tricksters should be punished though, irrespective of their faith.

I dont have any issues with Jewish men as such...(maybe with men but there is a time and a thread for any hu-haa of Ladys regarding the "fire-makers").



If you failed to notice I feel it my duty to remind you that the headline goes "Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape "....I am merely trying to figure out why!!!

Originally Posted by vinod2070

So, you are converting a legal issue into a domestic one? If he does have a wife, she would be probably in Burqa and one among many. He would anyway get his fill (pun intended) and likely divorce the ones that speaks too much.

But Druzes dont wear burqas *confused*

Originally Posted by vinod2070

No compensation for the wife in this case unlike Mrs. Woods.

Good for her, one more point on the scoreboard for the fairer sex!!!!

Go Elin!!!!

Originally Posted by vinod2070

OK. I know little about their legal system but never heard people being stoned to death or lashed or limbs being chopped off in Israel, only in their peaceful and tolerant Islamic neighbors.

You learn something new every day. Thanks for this info. It shouldn't be particularly shocking for you though. Most Muslim majority countries have (or aspire to) Islamic Shariah including yours.

Why expect better from others?

NO Islamic (even Iran and Saudia) counrty has complete laws based on Shariah Laws and unlike Isreal the influences of the west are obvious and implemented.

But even if they did run on the base track of Islamic Shariah Law they have one rule for ALL religions (if a hindu man loses an arm for theiving, so will a muslim).

Social background based on hierarchy is a different issue (not Islmaic at all) and one that needs to be addressed (maybe the RICH Shiekhs of Arabia get off lightly anyway, they should be picked with a fine tooth comb and prosecuted likewise...*sigh*).

Originally Posted by vinod2070

No idea. I didn't give any importance to this part. My bad.

So maybe you should look before you leap in the future.

Originally Posted by vinod2070

Well they do. In many cases they don't mention the religion of these people even though it is obvious.

Note : The biggest example of all, care to drag out the headlines for 911. Religion is always mentioned if the perp is a Muslim!!!

Originally Posted by vinod2070

Another example is the conspiracy of silence in Swedish media about the mayhem of Muslim immigrants there that has converted this formerly beautiful and tolerant country into a heaven of rape and crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYAhQ4I4Uk

True to form, the Muslims there consider the local Swedish girls as whores (quite openly so) that can be raped at will while their own ones are to be safely kept behind niqabs (often at the pain of death).

My speakers are linked to the tele and the kids are watching cartoons at the mo so I'll have to get back to you on this one once I have seen the youtube video. By the way is that your personal favourite? Watching anti Muslim videos on youtube? I bet you have subscribed to likewise links.

Originally Posted by vinod2070

OK. Any links? I have seen no such report.

Type 'Druze' and 'Kashur' and I am sure youll find the links. Your internet search skills are better than mine so I am sure youll find what you are looking for once you set your mind to it.

Originally Posted by vinod2070

Then you have no case! Its the Jews punishing another fellow Jew. No racism. Case closed!

BIG difference : A Jew who is not recognised by the Chief Rabbinate in Isreal is not considered a JEW in Israel.........so in a way its the land of the pure chosen/handpicked ones.

Originally Posted by vinod2070

How did the last part come in? Even Christianity?

Dont tell me you dont know the background of the religion of 'Druze' , for someone who knows a bit about Islam I thought maybe youd have read about other religions as well.

'Druze' is an amalgamated religion based on a mish mash of Islam, Judism, Christianity and even has some aspects of Greek and Hinduism.

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Lady Macbeth

I dont have any issues with Jewish men as such...(maybe with men but there is a time and a thread for any hu-haa of Ladys regarding the "fire-makers").

OK.

If you failed to notice I feel it my duty to remind you that the headline goes "Arab man who posed as Jew to seduce woman convicted of rape "....I am merely trying to figure out why!!!

Any success? I think its a simple matter of a criminal getting away with a light punishment.

But Druzes dont wear burqas *confused*

I don't really know. I have not seen any credible news about him being a Druze either.

Good for her, one more point on the scoreboard for the fairer sex!!!!

Go Elin!!!!

But no compensation for this Arab's wives though!

NO Islamic (even Iran and Saudia) counrty has complete laws based on Shariah Laws and unlike Isreal the influences of the west are obvious and implemented.

Why is that? Are these man-made laws better than the final and perfect laws?

But even if they did run on the base track of Islamic Shariah Law they have one rule for ALL religions (if a hindu man loses an arm for theiving, so will a muslim).

That is imposing the cruel barbaric laws on others! Nothing to be proud of.

BTW, check out how Dhimmis have been historically treated in Islamic rule.

Social background based on hierarchy is a different issue (not Islmaic at all) and one that needs to be addressed (maybe the RICH Shiekhs of Arabia get off lightly anyway, they should be picked with a fine tooth comb and prosecuted likewise...*sigh*).

Why???? Why is the final and perfect message not being implemented?

Too hard? hypocrisy? Impractical? It was supposed to be pragmatic after all!

So maybe you should look before you leap in the future.

For me this was never an issue. Only you made it an issue.

Note : The biggest example of all, care to drag out the headlines for 911. Religion is always mentioned if the perp is a Muslim!!!

Well, that is the ideology and source of motivation for these terrorists. But there are several examples when the religious identity of these people is sought to be hidden. I have shared one example already.

My speakers are linked to the tele and the kids are watching cartoons at the mo so I'll have to get back to you on this one once I have seen the youtube video. By the way is that your personal favourite? Watching anti Muslim videos on youtube? I bet you have subscribed to likewise links.

See it when you get the time. I don't watch too many videos. This one I saw quite some time back on a forum. I am not subsribed to even a single link.

Type 'Druze' and 'Kashur' and I am sure youll find the links. Your internet search skills are better than mine so I am sure youll find what you are looking for once you set your mind to it.

OK. Will do that time permitting.

BIG difference : A Jew who is not recognised by the Chief Rabbinate in Isreal is not considered a JEW in Israel.........so in a way its the land of the pure chosen/handpicked ones.

I know that Arabs are into the Israeli parliament. Some are serving in their armed forces (including an Arab girl, I created a thread on that).

Dont tell me you dont know the background of the religion of 'Druze' , for someone who knows a bit about Islam I thought maybe youd have read about other religions as well.

I have only read that there are some Arabs that support Israel. May be they are the same people. Don't really know much about this community.

'Druze' is an amalgamated religion based on a mish mash of Islam, Judism, Christianity and even has some aspects of Greek and Hinduism.

Sounds interesting.

[noname]

I had a higher opinion of the Jews then this, putting some one in prison because of their religon, now I am starting to think Jews are no better then Muslims.