Who is Ataturk?

[AlpErTunga]

Greetings, I am here again thanks to my great holiday :) And topic is Ataturk again. But this time I will share a quoted passage from Prof. Ilknur Gunturkun Kalipci. To be honest; a Turk seeks a way to introduce their great leader when he find such an international platform with full of friend and must-be-friend people.

"Must-be-friend people" because people of oppressed world will reach a better place when they understand Ataturk, first man who stop imperialism in Anatolia and open the way to death of colonialism in 20th Century. It is better to be enlightened with Ataturk's ideas instead of lots of missiles ;)

Quotation is too long; so i will share it part by part. I hope I can translate it efficiently and you like it.

Now the word belongs to Mrs. Kalipci;

"It's important to be able to stay alive after death.
We have known him as a great soldier or great statesman Ataturk.
But this example I am giving, is unique to him. His major enemy, the commander of the Greek forces spilled to Aegean Sea by Ataturk, General Trikupis... Without any forcing, without any pressure; Trikupis goes to Turkish Embassy of Athens, stands in front of the picture of Ataturk and stands at attention in order to show respect in every 29th of October, the Anniversary of Turkish Republic's Declaration, the Republic Day. A Mustafa Kemal who is able to make his greatest enemy feeling such respect for himself...

In 1938; it is the most stressful, most problematic times for General McArthur. Suddenly he turns to people more than 120 and says;
"In this time, what wouldn't i do in order to see Mustafa Kemal once?"
Mustafa Kemal who makes people so missing him.

Or..In 1938 again. An Iranian poet writes a poem for a newspaper in Tehran because of Ataturk's death. The last verse of it:
"When Allah wants to help a country;
When Allah wants to protect a country;
He sends a leader to her like Mustafa Kemal."

In 1976; UNESCO make a proposal to her members. Proposal says; "Today; the name father of the all projects we are working on is Ataturk." But what is the proposal? Proposal is that; in the 100th year after his birth, 152 member state of the UNESCO will celebrate 1981 as "Ataturk Year". Suddenly Swedish delegate stands up and says;
"There are too many statesman in the world. Will we celebrate birth of all?"
And Russian delegate replies;
"My young delegate friend; I want to remind that Ataturk is not such an ordinary leader. Never mind to remember him one year; we should seek him as a solution to every problem in every country." Mustafa Kemal who makes people saying these words...
UNESCO, without any negative vote, as the first and only in UNESCO history, 152 member states sign this text;

"Atatürk is:
An outstanding person who devoted himself for the development of international understanding cooperation and peace a revolutionist who realized extraordinary reforms the Leader who fought against imperialism and colonialism. A unique Statesman respectful to human rights pioneer of worldwide peace who never discriminated people according to their color religion or race through out his life founder of Turkish Republic.

UNESCO (United Nations Educational Scientific and Culture Organizations)"

And Swedish delegate talks again. He comes to microphone and says;
"I have studied Ataturk. I apologise to all countries and I want to sign text firstly."

To be continued...

[Neo]

Welcome back with a great topic mate!

[Solid Beast]

Pakistan needs an Ata Turk to lead the place out of misery. An Ata Pak of rank higher than the Talib "Ameer ul Mumineen". Times require it, let's hope someone steps up like Sir Kamal did for his country.

[Adux]

Only the greatest muslim ever lived, He was Attaturk.

[AlpErTunga]

Originally Posted by Solid Beast

Pakistan needs an Ata Turk to lead the place out of misery. An Ata Pak of rank higher than the Talib "Ameer ul Mumineen". Times require it, let's hope someone steps up like Sir Kamal did for his country.

Conditions and nations which have sense of independence like Turks and Pakistanis creates Mustafa Kemals, Ikbals and Muhammed Ali Cinnahs ;) I am sure that our century is raising such leaders somewhere. Turkish nation had burnt in fire of imperialism for 200 years to have a Mustafa Kemal.

[AlpErTunga]

Prof. Kalipci goes on...

Do years change anything? No. In 2000 American president presents his address of the new millenium. He says; "Today, beyond any doubt, the only statesman of the millenium is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Because he is the only leader who succeed to be the man of a century, not a year." There is a Mustafa Kemal who is able to make US president saying these words in 2000. He is another man, not soldier Mustafa Kemal or statesman Mustafa Kemal.

In 2004... Does anything change? No. I was giving a lecture and suddenly a lady stood up. She said "I am Norwegian and we have a proverb which we use very often. I have understand its meaning.". I asked what this proverb is. She replied "When someone is in trouble with a problem, we say him 'Let's think like Ataturk' to tell him this tough problem surely has a solution." After this lecture, I went to my otel room and I have used this Norwegian proverb so many times... I thought we need this proverb more than Norwegians.

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I will share little secrets of being a real leader with you...
First secret; Ataturk didn't say "OK, I saved my lands, defeated our enemies, I ama military genius."; he wore his civilian clothes and took full-responsiblity of whatever we have surrounded by our national borders, from any stone to any land. This made him a leader of the world. How? Here you are;

History states that Ataturk's crying, very rarely. I am a researcher of him for 25 years and I have found 7 events he cried. First one is when our artilery launched our counterassault in Gallipoli; another one is a story which is known by many of us. The Ankara of that time is a barren, rainless village... On Cankaya Presidency House-Parliement road, there was only one oleaster tree. Ataturk stops his car and salutes that tree whenever he pass there. People say "Ataturk, what are you doing?" and he explains "He is a sentry of our fruit which we eat, protection which we take shelter in, the air which we breath. He has right to be saluted as well as other sentries." And one day, while he and one of his friends were using that road again, he says "And this is my..." but what is it? Tree was not there. He gets off his car and asks what happened to the tree. An employee says "Pasham, we have cut it in order to expand the road." Ataturk replies; "I wish you asked it to me, I surely would find a way to save him.". And he can't stand anymore, gets in his car and cries his heart out. You say it is because of only one oleaster tree? No. It is a living on his land which he saved very hardly and the responsibility of that tree belongs to him, the reason is that.
I think he began to think about this weird project which I am going to tell you, that day. It was about massacre of environment, the easiest massacre type...

weird project is coming soon :p

[Al-Zakir]

Originally Posted by Adux

Only the greatest muslim ever lived, He was Attaturk.

Why because he enforced shaitanism over Islam on islamic loving turks or because he submerge islam in the land of muslim or because he implemented the way of shaitan?

Dude praise him any way you want but please do not call him Muslim. You are disrespeting 1.2 billion of us. He was many things but not Muslim say the least.

[AlpErTunga]

(1)(2)His manservant Cemal Granda tells;

"He did not interfered to anybody's religion and he respected to really religious people. He was annoyed to fanatics and blind followers. Sometimes he used to listen "mevlid" -a holy poem telling about Hz. Muhammed-. He used to listen Hafiz Yasar Hoca in enthusiasm. When Hafiz began to read the episode of "the Prophet Muhammad's ascent to heaven" from mevlid, when Hafiz says "Mustafa rose to skies." Ataturk's eyes used to fill with tears. Then we used to bring some cologne. His faith was sincerely. I used to hear him; he used to say such "Allah" when he is alone in his room, nobody can say like him.

In a summer night, there was a party in Dolmabahce Palace. By the party is coming to end, the sun was rising beyond the Seven Hills of Bosphorus. It was an outstanding scene. With Ataturk's fatherly gesture, one of his adopted children, Nebile Hanim climbed to her chair and began to give the call to prayer. It was an unequaled morning adhan. A harmonious sound filled the large room."

(1) Atatürk'ün Uşağı Cemal Granda Anlatıyor/Kristal Kitaplar, 2. baskı. (1) Sayfa: 222 (2) Sayfa: 215.
(2)Ataturk's Manservant is Telling, Cemal Granda / Kristal Books, 2nd Edition, Page 222 and 215

[keskinta]

Originally Posted by Al-Zakir

Why because he enforced shaitanism over Islam on islamic loving turks or because he submerge islam in the land of muslim or because he implemented the way of shaitan?

Dude praise him any way you want but please do not call him Muslim. You are disrespeting 1.2 billion of us. He was many things but not Muslim say the least.

Hey I have joined the forum just to answer you back ! You said that Ataturk was not Muslim ? or i cant call him muslim ?
You call Taliban muslim, Usama bin laden muslim, Humayni muslim, They all killed innocent people But Just because Ataturk Made Turkey Modern and created the Republic you dont call him Muslim ! The only country that shows the real islam in the world is Turkey mate, Look at the all Muslim countries in the world Which one of them has peace inside or outside ?

[Lady Macbeth]

Originally Posted by keskinta

Hey I have joined the forum just to answer you back ! You said that Ataturk was not Muslim ? or i cant call him muslim ?
You call Taliban muslim, Usama bin laden muslim, Humayni muslim, They all killed innocent people But Just because Ataturk Made Turkey Modern and created the Republic you dont call him Muslim ! The only country that shows the real islam in the world is Turkey mate, Look at the all Muslim countries in the world Which one of them has peace inside or outside ?

So in your opinion whoever implements draconian laws to -

a- restrict the building of houses of prayer (new mosques were banned)

b- enforce non permissible legislations, dictating how people should dress, that are punishable should they be broken (ie anti-Islamic reforms for banning of the certain apparel significant of Islam ie the turban and the head scarf)

c- execute anyone who dares to rise against him

d- limit how anyone practiced their religion (call to prayer/'azaan' was banned during his time)

e-destroy symbols of a religion (one evening, incensed by the sound of the muezzin from a mosque opposite, which clashed with the dance-band, he ordered its minaret to be felled - pg p. 470: Ataturk: The Rebirth of a Nation by Lord Kinross.)

is a true muslim???


Attaturk could have been a good secularist dictator but never a good muslim.
PS- Remind me again what his cause of death was??