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Default Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011

Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.

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"That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."

The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.

The Mayans and the recent Hollywood movie "2012" have put the apocalypse in the popular mind this year, but Camping has been at this business for a long time. And while Armageddon is pop science or big-screen entertainment to many, Camping has followers from the Bay Area to China.

Camping, 88, has scrutinized the Bible for almost 70 years and says he has developed a mathematical system to interpret prophecies hidden within the Good Book. One night a few years ago, Camping, a civil engineer by trade, crunched the numbers and was stunned at what he'd found: The world will end May 21, 2011.

This is not the first time Camping has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.

On Sept. 6, 1994, dozens of Camping's believers gathered inside Alameda's Veterans Memorial Building to await the return of Christ, an event Camping had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven.

But the world did not end. Camping allowed that he may have made a mathematical error. He spent the next decade running new calculations, as well as overseeing a media company that has grown significantly in size and reach.

"We are now translated into 48 languages and have been transmitting into China on an AM station without getting jammed once," Camping said. "How can that happen without God's mercy?"

His office is flanked by satellite dishes in the parking lot that transmit his talk show, "Open Forum." In the Bay Area, he's heard on 610 AM, KEAR. Camping says his company owns about 55 stations in the United States alone, and that his message arrives on every continent.

'I'm looking forward to it'

Employees at the Oakland office run printing presses that publish Camping's pamphlets and books, and some wear T-shirts that read, "May 21, 2011." They're happy to talk about the day they believe their souls will be retrieved by Christ.

"I'm looking forward to it," said Ted Solomon, 60, who started listening to Camping in 1997. He's worked at Family Radio since 2004, making sure international translators properly dictate Camping's sermons.

"This world may have had an attraction to me at one time," Solomon said. "But now it's definitely lost its appeal."

Camping is a frail-looking man, and his voice is low and deep, but it can rise to dramatic peaks with a preacher's flair.

As a young man, he owned an East Bay construction business but longed to work as a servant of God. So he hit the books.

"Because I was an engineer, I was very interested in the numbers," he said. "I'd wonder, 'Why did God put this number in, or that number in?' It was not a question of unbelief, it was a question of, 'There must be a reason for it.' "

Code-breaking phenomenon

Camping is not the only man to see truths in the Bible hidden in the numbers. In the late 1990s, a code-breaking phenomenon took off, led by "The Bible Code," written by former Washington Post journalist Michael Drosnin.

Drosnin developed a technique that revealed prophecies within the Bible's text. A handful of biblical scholars have supported Drosnin's theory, lending it an air of legitimacy, and just as many scholars have decried it as farce.

One of Drosnin's more well-known findings is that a meteor will strike Earth in 2012, the same year some people believe the Mayan calendar marks the end of times, and the same year the "2012" action movie surmised the Earth's crust will destabilize and kill most humans.

Meaning in numbers

By Camping's understanding, the Bible was dictated by God and every word and number carries a spiritual significance. He noticed that particular numbers appeared in the Bible at the same time particular themes are discussed.

The number 5, Camping concluded, equals "atonement." Ten is "completeness." Seventeen means "heaven." Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011.

"Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.," he began. "Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that's 1,978 years."

Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days - the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.

Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.

Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.

Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.

"Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story," Camping said. "It's the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you're completely saved.

"I tell ya, I just about fell off my chair when I realized that," Camping said.

James Kreuger, author of "Secrets of the Apocalypse - Revealed," has been studying the end of times for 40 years and is familiar with Camping's work. While Kreuger agrees that the rapture is indeed coming, he disputes Camping's method.

"For all his learning, Camping makes a classic beginner's mistake when he sets a date for Christ's return," Kreuger wrote in an e-mail. "Jesus himself said in Matthew 24:36, 'Of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only.' "

'It is going to happen'

Camping's believers will have none of it.

Rick LaCasse, who attended the September 1994 service in Alameda, said that 15 years later, his faith in Camping has only strengthened.

"Evidently, he was wrong," LaCasse allowed, "but this time it is going to happen. There was some doubt last time, but we didn't have any proofs. This time we do."

Would his opinion of Camping change if May 21, 2011, ended without incident?

"I can't even think like that," LaCasse said. "Everything is too positive right now. There's too little time to think like that."




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''What is The Rapture?"


The Second Coming of Christ will occur in stages. First, He will remove all Christians from the Earth, to protect them. This is called "The Rapture." The term comes from the Latin verb raptare, and the Greek word harpizo, both meaning "to be caught up" or "to be snatched up." Jesus will "snatch us" out of harm's way.

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"I heard a preacher say that the Rapture is a false teaching."

About 85 percent of Christian theologians and Christians who have studied the Bible (as opposed to just reading it) believe in the Rapture and the Tribulation, which will be followed by a 1000 years of Christ reigning together with the resurrected saints (referred to as the Millennial Kingdom).

Christians who do not believe in the Rapture and the Millennial Kingdom are referred to as "amillennialists". They believe that mankind will simply become better and better through the efforts of the Church, and when mankind becomes holy enough Christ will return. However, the evidence of the general moral deterioration of mankind in the Twentieth Century seems to disprove this view. Also, Jesus said that

People who claim the Rapture is a false teaching usually base their assertion on two false beliefs:

(a) The idea of the Rapture (or a pre-tribulation Rapture) was first announced by theologian J.N. Darby around 1830 and is based on the alleged prophetic vision of a 15-year old Scottish girl named Margaret Macdonald.

(b) The Rapture was not taught by the early church.

The facts are otherwise:

(a) Prophecy scholar and author Grant Jeffrey has discovered a sermon by a Greek Orthodox theologian named Ephraem, who died before 400 A.D. Some scholars claim it is not the work of Ephraem, but of a later theologian who was influenced by him, and that it was actually written before 700 A.D. In either case, it substantially pre-dates the alleged 1830 date. Jeffrey has published an English-language translation in one of his recent books.

(b) Margaret Macdonald's vision was of a post-tribulation Rapture. She said that the Holy Spirit would protect the Church through the Tribulation.

(c) No biblical scholars or Christian theologians rely on Macdonald's vision to support any view of the Rapture.

(d) Darby was declaring a pre-tribulation Rapture as early as 1827, three years before Macdonald's vision.

For an excellent discussion of the four views on the Rapture (referred to as pretrib, midtrib, posttrib and amillennial) see Lindsay, Hal. The Rapture New York, Bantam Books, 1985.

Also, the Rapture is analogous to first-century Jewish marriage customs and is a prelude to The Marriage of Jesus Christ and The Elect.


"What takes place after the Rapture?"

After The Rapture, God will begin executing judgments against unbelievers, during a period called the Tribulation. At the end of the Tribulation all nations will attack Israel, and Jesus Christ will physically return, leading the armies of heaven. At the Battle of Armeggedon they will destroy everyone who is not a believer. Then Satan will be bound, and Jesus will set up the Millennial Kingdom, headquartered in Jerusalem. Jesus and the saints will rule over the nations of the Earth for a thousand years. During this period there will be people born who are not loyal to Christ. However, it usually will not be obvious. Therefore, at the end of the thousand-year period, God will release Satan and let him tempt those who inhabit the Earth. A large group will take up arms against the Lord and be defeated. Then, Christ will judge all who have ever lived, giving rewards to some and punishment to others. Those who were "destroyed" will be cast into the Lake of Fire, i.e., Hell. After that, God will destroy heaven and Earth because they have been polluted by sin. He will create a new heaven and a new Earth, put those who were saved on the new Earth, and rule it forever.

For an interesting insight into conditions likely to occur immediately following the Rapture see The Post-Rapture Economic Collapse.


"Where does the Bible talk about the end times?"

The end-time scenario is spread out mainly over the following books and sections: Revelation, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, the Gospels, Zechariah, Zephaniah, Joel, 1 Corinthians 15:51, 1 Thessalonians 4:13.


"How can we know end-times prophecies such as the Rapture are true?"

Because these things have not occurred yet, we must take it on faith that they will come to pass. Basically, we assume that because God has a perfect track record on prophecies that have come true we can rely on His word about prophecies that remain unfulfilled.

Study of prophecy about end times is called eschatology. It is a separate field from Christian Apologetics and a detailed discussion is beyond the scope of this web site.

http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/rapture.htm
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only one more year to live....
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Fascinating read. Thx. for sharing.
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Bible's one of the final books called "Revelations" is an eye opener, I will recommend it to all lovers of Evengelic literature.
The Revelations are written by John in the year 98 AD. He claims to be taken to the future to see the Armageddon with his own eyes and describes the symbols.
Quite interesting stuff.
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Bible's one of the final books called "Revelations" is an eye opener, I will recommend it to all lovers of Evengelic literature.
The Revelations are written by John in the year 98 AD. He claims to be taken to the future to see the Armageddon with his own eyes and describes the symbols.
Quite interesting stuff.
I will probably wait for Dan Brown to make it interesting for me.

I have read two of his books: "The Da Vinci code" and "Angels and Demons". Looking forward to reading "The lost symbol".
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Well thats Hollywoods version of the Biblical events, you need something serious.
I studied the Bible for more than three years to understand what it was all about.
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Well thats Hollywoods version of the Biblical events, you need something serious.
I studied the Bible for more than three years to understand what it was all about.
I know its mostly fiction. I like the way he describes the architecture, the arts, the Vatican etc.

I will probably come around to reading the hardcore religious stuff at some time. No stomach for that at present.
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I know its mostly fiction. I like the way he describes the architecture, the arts, the Vatican etc.

I will probably come around to reading the hardcore religious stuff at some time. No stomach for that at present.

Bilkul...abhee toh bohat umar paree hai.... (you are still a fresh chicken compared to Grandpa Neo)....take your time.
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Bilkul...abhee toh bohat umar paree hai.... (you are still a fresh chicken compared to Grandpa Neo)....take your time.
Thx.

I am developing interest in reading more and more new fields as time goes by.

History was boring for me in school, not any more. Same with economics, political history, ancient civilizations etc.

Pure religion is still somewhat uninteresting for me, unless combined with its impact on the society.
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