Mosque with no muezzin, only light

[Lady Macbeth]

MARSEILLE: The minaret of the new Grand Mosque of Marseille, whose cornerstone will be laid here in April, will be silent — no muezzin will disturb the neighborhood with the call to prayer. Instead, the minaret will flash a beam of light for a couple of minutes, five times a day.



Normally, the light would be green, for the color of Islam. But Marseille is a port, and green is reserved for signals to ships at sea. Red? No, the firefighters have reserved red.

Instead, said Noureddine Cheikh, head of the Marseille Mosque Association, the light will almost surely be purple — a rather nightclubby look for such an elegant building.

So is this assimilation? Cheikh laughs. "I suppose it is," he said. "It's a good symbol of assimilation."

But as Western Europe is plunged into anxiety over the impact of Muslim immigration — reeling from the implications of a Swiss vote to ban minarets altogether — some scholars see a destructive dynamic, with assimilation feeding a reaction that, in turn, spawns resentment, particularly among young Muslims.

Vincent Geisser, a scholar of Islam and immigration, believes that the more Europe's Muslims establish themselves as a permanent part of the national scene, the more they frighten some who believe their national identity could be altered forever. "Today in Europe the fear of Islam crystallizes all other fears," Geisser said. "In Switzerland, it's minarets. In France, it's the veil, the burqa and the beard."

The large new mosque is a source of pride here in France's second-largest city, which is at least 25% Muslim. But it is also cause for alarm, Geisser said.

At the Grand Bar Bernabo, a cafe near the site of the new mosque, an older man who refused to give his name said, "I'm going to bomb it when it opens." Asked why, he said: "There are a lot of them already, and this will bring more of them, and there will be trouble."

Mosque with no muezzin, only light - Europe - World - The Times of India

[Al-Zakir]

Originally Posted by Lady Macbeth

an older man who refused to give his name said, "I'm going to bomb it when it opens." Asked why, he said: "There are a lot of them already, and this will bring more of them, and there will be trouble."

Well he need to find newer place to live because when we come, we come with big number.....

As far light alternate to muezzin is understandable due to majority non-Muslim area however it may change in the future if Muslims become majority.

[Solid Beast]

Can Islam please go underground for 100 years...I'd appreciate it. Day by day Europe edges closer to another Holocaust because some people want to play catch with an angry dog.

The best recipe for assimilation, especially in tough times like these? Shutting the **** up, guarding your faith in your heart and home, and minimizing your unnecessary presence in a society which is sick of it. It is clear your culture isn't wanted in Europe so why can't you just leave people alone until this Islamophobic storm passes over? There's already plenty mosques. Or go back to Africa, let the French enjoy their wine and bread in peace, building more blatant symbols of Islamic power in hostile environments is UnIslamic because it brings further danger to the Muslims.

[Arsenal6]

Originally Posted by Solid Beast

Can Islam please go underground for 100 years...I'd appreciate it. Day by day Europe edges closer to another Holocaust because some people want to play catch with an angry dog.

The best recipe for assimilation, especially in tough times like these? Shutting the **** up, guarding your faith in your heart and home, and minimizing your unnecessary presence in a society which is sick of it. It is clear your culture isn't wanted in Europe so why can't you just leave people alone until this Islamophobic storm passes over? There's already plenty mosques. Or go back to Africa, let the French enjoy their wine and bread in peace, building more blatant symbols of Islamic power in hostile environments is UnIslamic because it brings further danger to the Muslims.

your point ?

I'm sorry but as more and more MUSLILM arises there is a need for more mosques
but if you can't tolerate then please :

1) don't call Europe as multiculture
2) non- racist state - as it has proven see Lady Macbeth post
3) Remember all of the renainace that happen in Europe that made the West advanced should be thanked to Muslim. THeir Research helped Eurpoe to come out of the Dark ages of dirt and evilness


Further more I would like to add this I wouldn't know what french people think of Islam but here in the UK many non-mulsim have no problem of having the muezzin calling to prayer.
THe only poeple who ever have a problem are the same people who have a problem with Islam amd Muslim alike an Islamaphobe
who have strong links to the far right and extrem racist views like the old man who would uses extrem voilence on innocent people.

PS Viva la Islam ! let their be more people reinvert back to Islam , let Islam grow, Let their be more bigger Mosque, HUGE, VERY tALL minarets , as tall as the highest building in NY with many muezzin all calling out to prayer and green light shorn everywhere. INSHALLAH ! INSHALLAH ! INSHALLAH !

[Solid Beast]

Enjoy your fairy tales :)

[Al-Zakir]

Originally Posted by Solid Beast

Can Islam please go underground for 100 years...I'd appreciate it. Day by day Europe edges closer to another Holocaust because some people want to play catch with an angry dog.

The best recipe for assimilation, especially in tough times like these? Shutting the **** up, guarding your faith in your heart and home, and minimizing your unnecessary presence in a society which is sick of it. It is clear your culture isn't wanted in Europe so why can't you just leave people alone until this Islamophobic storm passes over? There's already plenty mosques. Or go back to Africa, let the French enjoy their wine and bread in peace, building more blatant symbols of Islamic power in hostile environments is UnIslamic because it brings further danger to the Muslims.

Sir I won't say much about your attacking comment on Islam however here in USA almost every Muslim community has Masjid and furthermore smaller Masjid getting bigger day by day.

Masjid is the heart of Muslim community. A Muslim community would be soulless without Masjid.

This one located in New York city. 20 some years ago you would not see masjid like this in USA however Now a days showing it presence.

[Solid Beast]

Al Zakir mate I appreciate your input. But Islam is not about grandesque mosques and competing with the Televangelists with regards to building mega-structures for worship or imposing themselves on the population through symbols and show of power. These are false principles. I hope you will recall how simple, humble and minimal the Prophet Muhammad's mosque was, there was no giant community center and the floor consisted of sand and dirt. During times of prayer it used to get so full that people could barely find space. They came to understand the beauty of the message, not gape in awe at the jewel encrusted pulpit and gold embroidered Korans. This was not a poor community either. This was during a time when even the living abode of some sahaba's were much larger and more luxurious than the Masjid, and even the military barracks received more attention in detail. Do you think this was an accident? No, the Prophet instructed the mosque be built like this on purpose, I am sure you can find the complete story online.

It seems that the Wahabi influences of the imposter Saud regime and their minion scholars along with self appointed scholars and theologists everywhere are affecting and directing Islam globally in a negative manner which is most definitely setting up the Muslim community for a Neo-Holocaust down the road. Who else has the money to build such facilities? These places are more opulent than many palaces, million dollar chandelliers from France, marble floors from Italy, wooden doors from Jakarta, etc. etc. this is not Islam and this is not how one is to practice Islam. The masjid is supposed to be the focal point of the community yes...but do you remember the story of the man during Caliph Omar's rule who did nothing but spend all day in the Masjid worshipping and fraternizing? Omar asked him why he wasn't outside working and supporting his family or himself, and literally beat him out of the Mosque. The masjid is not a hostel or an art gallery/museum. The masjid is not supposed to impose itself on the surrounding community either, and especially in lands which have a secular system of governance supported by a population who in majority are NOT Muslim it is not wise to build such wasteful buildings, just to make a point (Hey you Kaffirs, we are the world's second largest religion, hear us roar!). Their way of life is threatened and they feel psychologically under attack and rightfully so, I assume you know what is happening in the world and how people who think they have Islam figured out are bringing the wrath of humanity and God himself on this community. I refuse to be a recipient of this wrath through guilt by association. I will distance myself from these neo-wahabist interpretions because propaganda has a hard time affecting me.


Just because I beckoned for Muslims to wake up and smell the coffee in my earlier post, we have Wahabist cheerleaders jumping on my back with a sword to my throat. This is happening everywhere, people with big beards and small brains dictating how people should follow Islam and what constitutes progress and success in a community that is SUFFERING, BACKWARDS, and in DENIAL.

[Al-Zakir]

Originally Posted by Solid Beast

Al Zakir mate I appreciate your input. But Islam is not about grandesque mosques and competing with the Televangelists with regards to building mega-structures for worship or imposing themselves on the population through symbols and show of power. These are false principles. I hope you will recall how simple, humble and minimal the Prophet Muhammad's mosque was, there was no giant community center and the floor consisted of sand and dirt. During times of prayer it used to get so full that people could barely find space. They came to understand the beauty of the message, not gape in awe at the jewel encrusted pulpit and gold embroidered Korans. This was not a poor community either. This was during a time when even the living abode of some sahaba's were much larger and more luxurious than the Masjid, and even the military barracks received more attention in detail. Do you think this was an accident? No, the Prophet instructed the mosque be built like this on purpose, I am sure you can find the complete story online.

Well as a student of Islam, I do recall the humble beginning of Islam in Arabia however first Masjid were build that way due to lack of fund. It was build with clay and tree bunches.

It seems that the Wahabi influences of the imposter Saud regime and their minion scholars along with self appointed scholars and theologists everywhere are affecting and directing Islam globally in a negative manner which is most definitely setting up the Muslim community for a Neo-Holocaust down the road.

It’s totally unfair to give bad name to follower of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab. He was prominent Islamic scholar who took intuitive to spread true Islam in the light of Quran and Sunnah. He did not create anything of own rather brought out the true spirit of Islam. I find people dislike teaching of Wahhabi for all wrong reasons. The main opposition of wahhabi interpretation of Islam are oppose by those who practice Sufi style Islam from sub-continent and else where in Islamic world for obvious reasons.

Who else has the money to build such facilities? These places are more opulent than many palaces, million dollar chandelliers from France, marble floors from Italy, wooden doors from Jakarta, etc. etc. this is not Islam and this is not how one is to practice Islam. The masjid is supposed to be the focal point of the community yes...

Well I understand your anger and I somehow sympathize with you on this point that Masjid doesn’t need to be build with most expensive material as Allah really do no care about how the structure were build rather the substance from the worshipper however need of bigger structure with basic Islamic architecture is required to accommodate community as well as identification purpose.

Islam is not an individualistic religion like others because it encourages Muslim brotherhood. A masjid is build to serve the Muslim community form personal level to community level. We pray five times a day and we could do that in our home alone however it is encourage to perform in the Jamat so that it’s strengthen Islamic brotherhood as well as it’s healthy habit to intermingle with others. You may be aware that Jumah or Eid prayer can not be done alone so that a masjid is required to accommodate the community. Masjid should be build according to the need of community rather than for show. These Masjid that are being build in Europe or USA are contributing immense to our young generation Muslims living in aboard.

Let me give an example how a large masjid can serve the Muslim community.

My community did not have big masjid 10 years ago however now we do. Few important things can be achieve having a bigger Masjid that served thousand. Our masjid has separate section for women weather for pray or Islamic Congregation. More importantly now we have funeral service that can keep the dead in the freezer until the burial. Our Masjid has raised enough money to bought grave yard for Muslims burial to serve the community that could not have been possible from individual effort hence masjid has it multi dimensional usage.

but do you remember the story of the man during Caliph Omar's rule who did nothing but spend all day in the Masjid worshipping and fraternizing? Omar asked him why he wasn't outside working and supporting his family or himself, and literally beat him out of the Mosque.

I agree with this point 100% as I dislike them as well. I do the same to man as Hazrat Omar if they use masjid as excuse to avoid working or supporting family. This is another reason why so called sufi Islam are not true Islam.

The masjid is not a hostel or an art gallery/museum. The masjid is not supposed to impose itself on the surrounding community either, and especially in lands which have a secular system of governance supported by a population who in majority are NOT Muslim it is not wise to build such wasteful buildings, just to make a point (Hey you Kaffirs, we are the world's second largest religion, hear us roar!). Their way of life is threatened and they feel psychologically under attack and rightfully so, I assume you know what is happening in the world and how people who think they have Islam figured out are bringing the wrath of humanity and God himself on this community. I refuse to be a recipient of this wrath through guilt by association. I will distance myself from these neo-wahabist interpretions because propaganda has a hard time affecting me.

I do not understand your useless logic with respect to secularism and Masjid. According to secular believe that state doesn’t take side of any particular religion. It basically follow a neutral path when comes to any religion however all secular country has religion based. If Christian and Jews can have their church and temple than why can’t we Muslim have our masjid in secular country. Religions are not banned in any western state than why having headache over our masjid is unknown to me. We are not even capable of forcing our believe to anyone however people just join us. Recent banned on Minaret in Switzerland proved that there is no such thing as secularism as they are trying to deprived believer of Islam.

Just because I beckoned for Muslims to wake up and smell the coffee in my earlier post, we have Wahabist cheerleaders jumping on my back with a sword to my throat. This is happening everywhere, people with big beards and small brains dictating how people should follow Islam and what constitutes progress and success in a community that is SUFFERING, BACKWARDS, and in DENIAL.

Well beard is Sunnat however it’s not necessary to grow so long we do not disrespect Sunnah. Beard is the sign of wiseness. A maulana would not look maulana without beard however maunla's word is not quran and it can be chalanged by any well informed beardless muslims if it contrdict with quran and sunnah.

[Arsenal6]

Originally Posted by Solid Beast

Al Zakir mate I appreciate your input. But Islam is not about grandesque mosques and competing with the Televangelists with regards to building mega-structures for worship or imposing themselves on the population through symbols and show of power. These are false principles. I hope you will recall how simple, humble and minimal the Prophet Muhammad's mosque was, there was no giant community center and the floor consisted of sand and dirt. During times of prayer it used to get so full that people could barely find space. They came to understand the beauty of the message, not gape in awe at the jewel encrusted pulpit and gold embroidered Korans. This was not a poor community either. This was during a time when even the living abode of some sahaba's were much larger and more luxurious than the Masjid, and even the military barracks received more attention in detail. Do you think this was an accident? No, the Prophet instructed the mosque be built like this on purpose, I am sure you can find the complete story online.

It seems that the Wahabi influences of the imposter Saud regime and their minion scholars along with self appointed scholars and theologists everywhere are affecting and directing Islam globally in a negative manner which is most definitely setting up the Muslim community for a Neo-Holocaust down the road. Who else has the money to build such facilities? These places are more opulent than many palaces, million dollar chandelliers from France, marble floors from Italy, wooden doors from Jakarta, etc. etc. this is not Islam and this is not how one is to practice Islam. The masjid is supposed to be the focal point of the community yes...but do you remember the story of the man during Caliph Omar's rule who did nothing but spend all day in the Masjid worshipping and fraternizing? Omar asked him why he wasn't outside working and supporting his family or himself, and literally beat him out of the Mosque. The masjid is not a hostel or an art gallery/museum. The masjid is not supposed to impose itself on the surrounding community either, and especially in lands which have a secular system of governance supported by a population who in majority are NOT Muslim it is not wise to build such wasteful buildings, just to make a point (Hey you Kaffirs, we are the world's second largest religion, hear us roar!). Their way of life is threatened and they feel psychologically under attack and rightfully so, I assume you know what is happening in the world and how people who think they have Islam figured out are bringing the wrath of humanity and God himself on this community. I refuse to be a recipient of this wrath through guilt by association. I will distance myself from these neo-wahabist interpretions because propaganda has a hard time affecting me.


Just because I beckoned for Muslims to wake up and smell the coffee in my earlier post, we have Wahabist cheerleaders jumping on my back with a sword to my throat. This is happening everywhere, people with big beards and small brains dictating how people should follow Islam and what constitutes progress and success in a community that is SUFFERING, BACKWARDS, and in DENIAL.

Yes but all your comments mentioned does nothing to help the problem you highlighted.

The first thing is
1) you need to get to grip on Islam - study Islam the Quran, How Prophet Mohammid (pbuh) lived his life from authetic sources
Hadieths agains authertic sources
2) Understand that there is no Muslim country - and the reason that makes up a Muslilms country
3) What A muslim should do
4) who belives in Wahibism WHO ?

Originally Posted by Solid Beast

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Just because I beckoned for Muslims to wake up and smell the coffee in my earlier post,.

THe Muslim who has woken up and smelt the coffee is the Muslim who is praying 5 times a day, (or tries to pray) look out for his/her deen and establishing it, who is much more aware of his/her sins and strives in the path of Allah(swt) to better themselves in this life. Who copies the Prophet life style like goes out of his/hers way to help others and so on.

THe Five pillars of ISlam
Believing in "There is no god but Allah(swt) and Mohammid(pbuh) is the messenger of Allah(swt)"
doing 5 Salah
Giving Zakat
Observe Fasting properly
Hajj

Having good behavior and have care in the community

[Al-Zakir]

This is East London Masjid build by Bangladeshi Muslim community. This masjid Defiantly making impact on Muslim life living in UK. Any Muslims would smile while driving by this masjid. They would feel in home away from home.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_London_Mosque