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Default Switzerland to vote on plan to ban minarets

On Sunday Swiss voters will have their say on a controversial proposal to impose a constitutional ban on the building of minarets.

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"Countries which restrict freedom of worship" - the Swiss flag is in the middle

The proposal is backed by conservative Christian groups and by the biggest party in Switzerland's parliament, the right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP), which says allowing minarets would lead to the Islamisation of the country.
There are an estimated 400,000 Muslims in Switzerland, most from the former Yugoslavia or Turkey. Islam is the country's most widespread religion after Christianity, but although there are Muslim prayer rooms, proper mosques with minarets are few and far between.
There are just four across Switzerland, and in recent years, all applications to build minarets have been turned down.

Fear of extremism
Although there is little evidence of Islamic extremism in Switzerland, supporters of a ban say the presence of minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system that are incompatible with Swiss democracy.
"The minaret is not an innocent building. It has been used in history to mark territory, to mark the progression of Islamic law in foreign countries," said member of parliament Oskar Freysinger.
"Islamic people say it's only decorative. I don't agree. If Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey says 'the minarets are our bayonets' that means something to me. I don't want his bayonets to be planted here in Switzerland."
At public meetings to discuss a ban, this argument has clearly found favour with some voters.
"I'm not against Islam as a religion, I'm just against the minaret as a symbol of their power, taking over, conquering," said one woman.
"I'm a believer, I'm a Christian and I'm not against the Muslims," insisted one man. "But I'm not for the power, that they put their rights, the Sharia, over the rights that we have here in Switzerland, the law."

Muslim frustration
These arguments have caused a great deal of frustration among Switzerland's Muslim community, who insist that all they want is a recognisable mosque.
Earlier this month, Muslim prayer rooms across Switzerland opened their doors to the public, in the hope of reassuring voters that they had nothing to fear from minarets.
"We view the minaret as a symbol of religious freedom," said Mahmoud El Guindi, of Zurich's Islamic Centre.
"There is sometimes some fear in society, of Islam or the Muslims, based on various political events... and when they come here and they talk to the people and put their questions, they can see that Islam is a peaceful religion like other religions."
But a highly visible campaign in favour of a ban paints a very different picture of Islam.

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Posters show minarets as aggressive symbols of Muslim power

Minarets like missiles
Posters have appeared in many Swiss cities showing a dark, almost menacing figure of a woman, shrouded from head to foot in a black burka. Behind her is the Swiss flag, shaped like a map of the country, with black minarets shooting up out of it like missiles.
There is also an online game, which has proved very popular, in which players can shoot down minarets as they rise up on the skylines of Switzerland's major cities.
And although few in Switzerland would question the country's system of direct democracy, in which the people vote on all major decisions, many Swiss are very uncomfortable with the tone this particular campaign has taken.

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The campaign in favour of a ban paints a sinister picture of Islam

Vehicle for prejudice?
Elham Manea, a Swiss citizen and a Muslim, believes an opportunity to have a meaningful debate about Islam and its integration in Switzerland has been missed. Instead, she says, it has become a vehicle to express prejudice.
"In this debate, the very fact that you belong to a certain religion turns you into something bad," she says.
"They are bringing all these issues; integration problems, political Islam, fear of social change and social demographics, throwing them into one basket, calling it Islam and Muslims are bad.
"That is scary, because we have history to warn us when it comes to discrimination and discriminating against certain groups."
Outside Switzerland, observers are watching the minaret debate with concern. Amnesty International this week called on Swiss voters to reject a ban, warning that forbidding minarets would be a violation of Switzerland's obligations to uphold freedom of religious expression.
And there are hints that some Muslim countries, with whom Switzerland traditionally enjoys good relations, may even boycott the country if a ban is approved.
They are particularly angry that Islam has been singled out, since Sikh temples and Serbian Orthodox churches have recently been built in Switzerland, while synagogues have been present for more than a century.
Switzerland's coalition government is urging voters to say no to a ban, fearing a yes vote could harm the country's image abroad and cause anger among its many different ethnic groups.
But at the moment opinion polls predict a close result, and many in Switzerland fear that whichever way the final vote goes, the very fact that this referendum was held at all - and the tone of the campaign - will leave a legacy of bitterness among Swiss Muslims.
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Ummmm .....so its the new ''hip'' thing....

Castigate Islam and all who follow it and soon enough it will be wiped off from the face of this earth.

Insecurities on a chock full level!!!!
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Ummmm .....so its the new ''hip'' thing....

Castigate Islam and all who follow it and soon enough it will be wiped off from the face of this earth.

Insecurities on a chock full level!!!!
And why would that happen if a small country does not want to allow minarets.

Saudis not allowing other religious places has not wiped them out, has it?
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And why would that happen if a small country does not want to allow minarets.

Saudis not allowing other religious places has not wiped them out, has it?
(I knew youd jump to this one.......lol, becoming very predictable V)

I bet you wouldnt have questioned the same rules applied by the Vatican would you?
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(I knew youd jump to this one.......lol, becoming very predictable V)
You want me not to? I will no longer post on this thread!

BTW, this hypocrisy of expecting from others what you won't do is becoming predictable too.

You started the thread, not me.

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I bet you wouldnt have questioned the same rules applied by the Vatican would you?
I am not sure what you mean.
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You want me not to? I will no longer post on this thread!

You started it, not me.
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I am not sure what you mean.
Saudia does not claim to be a secular country, it thumps its chest to the fact that its an Islamic State where Shariah laws govern the state.....Switzerland is clearly a ''democratic'' state.....or cliams to be!

Why do we have to bring the Arabs into it anyway??? Cant we stick to the heading of the thread?
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I bet you wouldnt have questioned the same rules applied by the Vatican would you?
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I am not sure what you mean.
Fact- One is not allowed to build a mosque/synagogue/mandir or the likes in the Vatican!!!!
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Fact- One is not allowed to build a mosque/synagogue/mandir or the likes in the Vatican!!!!
Vatican is a small area (I think less than a square mile). In the country of Italy they allow it.

It would be understandable if Saudi don't allow others in Mecca and Madina and India won't allow it in our holiest cities like Ayodhya, Benaras and Mathura.

Saudis don't allow any other places of worship in the whole country. They go and build a big mosque in Rome (how far away from Vaitican?) just because that country is not as bigot as them.
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Saudia does not claim to be a secular country, it thumps its chest to the fact that its an Islamic State where Shariah laws govern the state.....Switzerland is clearly a ''democratic'' state.....or cliams to be!
Now Switzerland will no longer claim to be a country that allows free religious practice. They will still be democracy as long as the public chooses the leaders.

Fair enough, right?

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Why do we have to bring the Arabs into it anyway??? Cant we stick to the heading of the thread?
Yes. It is a natural to see what are the policies in the Islamic heartland if they claim this to be some big injustice to them.

As far as I know, no Muslim or non Muslim has made much of Saudi policies. They do what they feel is right for their country. Others are also free to do the same.
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Vatican is a small area (I think less than a square mile). In the country of Italy they allow it.

It would be understandable if Saudi don't allow others in Mecca and Madina and India won't allow it in our holiest cities like Ayodhya, Benaras and Mathura.

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I have no objections to the vatican or Ayodhya holy sites not allowing other religious prayer houses to open in their vicinity.

And I dont think a lot of people do anyway but thats totally different to what Switzerland is doing!
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