The Media's war upon Islam!

[Adux]

Originally Posted by DarkStar

Are you living in a fantasy world, Adux?

Islam is a reality, which cannot be ignored, cannot be destroyed...far from it's last stand, the 21st century will be the century of Islam in the USA and Europe.

Islam is the religion of peace, rationality, logic, science, and progress. The legacy of the colonial era has left its mark, but we are beginning to lose those shackles. The Islamic world is progressing fast, whether it is Turkey's democratic example, or the innovation and creativity of malaysia and indonesia...When Pakistan comes out of its current crisis of terrorism supported by its enemeies, it will be stronger and more prospoerous than ever.

There is no doubting that a lot more needs to be done, yet that doesn't take away from what has been achieved in the past half century since coloniasim was overthrown.

Finally, we as muslims, will not let the actions of a few misguided terrorists bring shame upon us or our religion. The violent minute minority, cannot be the paradigm through which the peaceful silent (not so silent anymore) majority are viewed. That would be unjust and illogical.

Christainity changed, and so did the rest of the religions, Christainity in reality is a far more violent as shown in its past. So yes Islam, and muslims will have to change and adapt,be acceptive of a terminology called Secularism.
if they dont, clashes will happen between these worlds. And we all know who is going to be a winner of that. I am not going to fall for 2050 UK will Islamic nonsense, they are talking that with 3% or less population, And again it is somehow your need and mission to make a certain non-islamic place, islamic which directly indirectly destroying the already existing cultures and systems, and you expect people not to react? and when they do, cry foul?
I am amazed how the rest of the world allows, muslims from islamic nations to enter their country and have all its freedoms, while they dont get the same in these very 'islamic' countries.

More Pakistanis support terrorism in their own country, than their enemies, An average pakistani is confused between Islam and nationhood. You are bit of on reality and as usual blames your enemies, for your failures.again

[duhastmish]

lmao !!! friggin idiots comparing islam to extremism !!!!

Islam or anyother religion - never teaches you to be steganant !!!! its people's interpretation which leads to fowl religious paradox.

now there are extremist in all relgion - hindu , chritian zorastrian.

and if islam is so evil and violent then what u say about sufi -islam ????? Islam is most peaceful and forward going religion its just a bunch of idiots who are giving it bad name.

[vinod2070]

what u say about sufi -islam ?

Duhastmish, you may be right here. However, now I see that Sufism is being trashed by many Muslims as "shirk"! Check out any Islamic channel.

You may know of the case in UP village where the entire village was denounced as kaafir by a Mulla after they attended a prayer led by a Sufi, for a dead person. They all had to be converted back and remarry to boot.

Mostly people mean the extremist version of Islam when they make such talk. Unfortunately, that is on the ascendancy now due to petro dollars or at least gets all the press.

[duhastmish]

Originally Posted by vinod2070

Duhastmish, you may be right here. However, now I see that Sufism is being trashed by many Muslims as "shirk"! Check out any Islamic channel.

You may know of the case in UP village where the entire village was denounced a kaafir by a Mulla after they attended a prayer led by a Sufi, for a dead person.

Mostly people mean the extremist version of Islam when they make such talk. Unfortunately, that is on the ascendancy now due to petro dollars or at least gets all the press.

So may be it will be right to not call them islam - cal lthem extremist islam or somethign else.

now i am not at all religious !! i dont ever perform any relgious custom . but i do respect islam.

now a bunch of idiots in up or orrisa or ohio dont project the fathers of their religion. those are jsut group of hooligan who are given fame and name by media.

now - i tell u as it might be shocking - youth which follwos islam - is not abiditng extemist islam much. yeh i agree media hype !! is showing only extremist so they get the attention. but a regular dude from dubai , karachi , abudhabi ,New delhi, newyork, even lebo follow a peaceful version of islam.

[vinod2070]

Originally Posted by duhastmish

So may be it will be right to not call them islam - cal lthem extremist islam or somethign else.

now i am not at all religious !! i dont ever perform any relgious custom . but i do respect islam.

now a bunch of idiots in up or orrisa or ohio dont project the fathers of their religion. those are jsut group of hooligan who are given fame and name by media.

now - i tell u as it might be shocking - youth which follwos islam - is not abiditng extemist islam much. yeh i agree media hype !! is showing only extremist so they get the attention. but a regular dude from dubai , karachi , abudhabi ,New delhi, newyork, even lebo follow a peaceful version of islam.

It takes only a very small % (in absolute numbers it may not be small) to take a community South.

It is a given that most people can not be extremists. Things would be much worse if they were. Even .01% of a billion plus strong community and coming from a small number of countries have proved enough to do the damage. The association with Islam is mostly their doing.

This is the reality, whether we accept it or not.

[Adux]

Every Religion is violent, why? its always US v/s THEM!!!, When you identify yourself as a group and then call the people who dont follow you as devil worshippers and what not! Its basic nature, that it will create conflict. So No, All religions are violent, of which Abhrahmic one's take the cake, In reality Christainity in its true form is far more violent, and has been in the past than Islam ever will be. Secularism as a concept is against all religions from this point of view, it gives the non-particular group RIGHTS equal to that of dominant group, a reason why Islam is thriving in Europe, India and US, while not so in Islamic lands. Islam has been allowed to preach, convert and flourish in secular countries, as it should be as any religion,while in the so called Islamic lands, all non-muslims are not allowed the same.

This for me was worst bit.

In Saudi Arabia, in a road accident, the government will pay you 100,000 Riyal if you are a muslim, 50,000 if you are a christain etc and 5000 if you are Buddhist/Hindu etc. If that doesnt tell you anything, nothing ever will.

[duhastmish]

Originally Posted by vinod2070

It takes only a very small % (in absolute numbers it may not be small) to take a community South.

It is a given that most people can not be extremists. Things would be much worse if they were. Even .01% of a billion plus strong community and coming from a small number of countries have proved enough to do the damage. The association with Islam is mostly their doing.

This is the reality, whether we accept it or not.

See thats what i hate - when people make everything " generic " -

people tend to have a projected image - of everything and it gives them shock to see things otherwise. its just like that other thread of - indian getting same negative comments. by some chinese or paksitani ( i tell u we even get them from american , european and many more its jsut that they dont sexist here).

but we must have a hope that things will change.

u know same ways - all talebani belive americans are evil but thats far from truth . a regular american dont really have no hate against a kid on street of kabul.

[Al-Zakir]

Originally Posted by Adux

Islam is not 21st century, Islam doesnt go with the current order of things in the world, Islam is violent and forceful on people who arent Islamic,in this world of human rights, secularism, where every catholic priest is virtually pulled up for child molestation or the other, where the very standing of Catholic Church is being questioned, Acutally Islam is given a free and easy ride in comparison. Islam will loose this bought,Secularism is a natural phenomenon in an educated world. This is Islam's last stand.

I don't know where you live but you must visit Europe or USA to witness the unprecedented growth of Islam in non Islamic land. Masjid are pooping up all over USA and Europe. Alhumdullilah.

There will be a biggest masjid build in London out side middle east very soon.

Europe's Biggest Mosque Will Be Built in London
By NICK ALLEN, Bloomberg News | October 31, 2006


LONDON — Every Friday, Abdul Khaliq heads down a deserted lane with hundreds of other Islamic men to pray at a temporary shelter on a windswept wasteland in East London. He's waiting for the shacks to be replaced by Europe's biggest mosque.

"We are going to produce a landmark, something not seen in this country before," said Mr. Khaliq, project manager for the global Islamic missionary movement Tablighi Jamaat, which plans to spend at least $190 million to build the mosque. Mr. Khaliq and his friends call it the London Markaz; neighbors in the borough of Newham dub it the "Mega Mosque."

The proposed mosque is the latest flashpoint in London's struggle to integrate a growing Islamic population amid fears among non-Muslims of Islamic terrorists. The structure would stand next to the 2012 Olympic stadium and, with room for 60,000 worshippers, be almost as big. Opponents say it would create a ghetto of Muslims in the surrounding neighborhood and change the complexion of London.

"I absolutely defend the right to worship, but this is going to be huge," said Alan Craig, a representative of the Christian Peoples Alliance on Newham Council. "When billions of television viewers see aerial shots of the London Olympics, they won't see St. Paul's Cathedral or any other traditional British landmark, they will see a mosque."

Mr. Craig said Britain should investigate alleged links between Tablighi Jamaat and terrorists. A 2005 American intelligence report released during hearings for prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, said Tablighi Jamaat was becoming "increasingly radicalized" and was used as a cover byAl Qaeda members.

Mr. Khaliq said he isn't aware of any radicals within Tablighi Jamaat. The mosque will be funded by donations, and the group doesn't accept contributions from extremist organizations, he said.

"These are the most peaceful people you can find, spreading the good word and telling people to behave with their parents and teachers, to refrain from smoking and drinking and drugs, and to live a good life," said Mr. Khaliq, who joined the group more than 50 years ago.

Newham is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse areas of Britain, with more than 100 languages spoken. In the 2001 census, 46% of residents said they were Christian and 24% Muslim. Of the 250,000 residents, 39% were white, 32% Asian, and 22% black.

"If this mega mosque goes ahead, we will end up with a Muslim quarter of London, with Tablighi Jamaat, an ultraconservative movement, at its heart," said Patrick Sookhdeo, a director of Barnabas Fund, which finances Christian projects. "There will effectively be a parallel society in London."

Tablighi Jamaat has owned the proposed mosque site for 10 years. The public will be asked to comment after an official request for planning permission has been filed, said Michelle Hyland, a spokeswoman for Newham Council.

The London Thames Gateway Development Corp., a government agency responsible for regenerating the area, will decide whether to permit the mosque. The application may eventually end up with Ruth Kelly, Prime Minister Blair's communities minister.
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/europes...-london/42592/

[Lady Macbeth]

I guess this picture sums it all.....

[noname]

Originally Posted by duhastmish

lmao !!! friggin idiots comparing islam to extremism !!!!

Islam or anyother religion - never teaches you to be steganant !!!! its people's interpretation which leads to fowl religious paradox.

now there are extremist in all relgion - hindu , chritian zorastrian.

and if islam is so evil and violent then what u say about sufi -islam ????? Islam is most peaceful and forward going religion its just a bunch of idiots who are giving it bad name.

According to the survey, there is widespread support for harsher Islamic punishments in Pakistan, with 82 percent in favor of stoning to death adulterers and 76 percent in favor of the death penalty for apostasy. Eighty-five percent expressed support for gender segregation in the workplace.

Islam is most peaceful and forward going religion