India voices concerns over US drone sale to Pak

[ferrari]

Originally Posted by A1Kaid

Listen the 'point' you are making is not sufficient.


Rather it is disingenuous of India to suggest that a US military arms and equipment deal with Pakistan which includes sophisticated night vision equipment, gunships, and possibly Predator Drone is going to disrupt "regional stability". If India is so 'concerned' over regional stability it would stop funding and supporting BLA terrorist and separatist, it would also make a genuine effort to resolve the Kashmir dispute, which by all facts and observations it has not done.

India has no right to even claim Pakistan's 'procurements' lead to 'regional instability'. In fact, I argue a strong and well prepared Pakistan leads to greater regional stability, as enemies will think twice before initiating aggression.

There are no rights or wrongs when it comes to realpolitik or national interests. It might seem disingenuous to other countries but it doesn't matter. India and for that matter any country will make statements to pander to domestic audience to tell its people that it is doing something to make the country safe. Despite India making any noises nothing will change at the ground level. Now, does it?

Balochistan and Kashmir is for another thread. Let's stick to the topic.:D

[Munir]

Yaar, you ar etalking about India where a well known BJP tells that Jinnah was not that worse as Indians sugest and he is thrown out of the party... They call it oldest or largest democracy onarth but somehow it is stil in puberty...

India never showed sincerity. Even when Musharraf settled KIashmir they last moment changed their minds...They do not want Kashmir being discussed while repeating the terror claim. The reality is that more people are killed by Indians in Kashmir then what can be seen as normal.

Disliking your opponent is normalbut whining about every deal (real or imaginative) is something adults should refrain from. Talking about stability is ok but tell us what is the Indian effect whenthey buy billions of foreign equipment?

[ferrari]

Originally Posted by Munir

Yaar, you ar etalking about India where a well known BJP tells that Jinnah was not that worse as Indians sugest and he is thrown out of the party... They call it oldest or largest democracy onarth but somehow it is stil in puberty...

Its largest democracy btw. This is for another thread.

India never showed sincerity. Even when Musharraf settled KIashmir they last moment changed their minds...They do not want Kashmir being discussed while repeating the terror claim. The reality is that more people are killed by Indians in Kashmir then what can be seen as normal.

For another thread.

Disliking your opponent is normalbut whining about every deal (real or imaginative) is something adults should refrain from. Talking about stability is ok but tell us what is the Indian effect whenthey buy billions of foreign equipment?

India is buying military hardware with both China and Pakistan in mind. When there will be a war, it will be a two-front war, so India has to have contingency for such a situation. India will do all it can to pursue it national interests, so will Pakistan. As I said, all the noises made by India or Pakistan is not wrong, its just the way it is, the geo-politics.

[Munir]

Originally Posted by ferrari

Its largest democracy btw. This is for another thread.


For another thread.



India is buying military hardware with both China and Pakistan in mind. When there will be a war, it will be a two-front war, so India has to have contingency for such a situation. India will do all it can to pursue it national interests, so will Pakistan. As I said, all the noises made by India or Pakistan is not wrong, its just the way it is, the geo-politics.

I do not think that in the future China or Pakistan will start a war with a nuclear neighbour... Besides that Pakistan follows India.. Not the other way. And Chinan is a global player... So not that much intrested inIndian dreams...

[Munir]

Here latest of Reuters... Cobra are nice but it was slow delivery... Will it hsve hellfire (like super cobra?) or is just the old C-nite part...? I think getting 18-50 Block30+ AMARG F16C/D's with Lantirn and smart weapons could do the job also very nice. They can be returned after the destruction of terrorism based in Pakistan... And if you look at AMARG then there are plenty of those F16's parked...

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ISLAMABAD, Aug 19 (Reuters) - U.S. General David Petraeus and Pakistan military leaders would discuss on Wednesday expediting delivery of U.S. equipment to Pakistan so it can expand its offensive against Taliban militants, U.S. officials said.

With U.S. troop strength growing in Afghanistan, the United States wants Pakistan to eradicate Islamist militant enclaves on its side of the border and prevent Taliban fighters from crossing into Afghanistan.

The Pakistani army has been battling militants in parts of the northwest for months but a commander said on Tuesday the army was short of equipment, including Cobra attack helicopters, needed for a large-scale ground operation.

"It is part of a substantial effort to strengthen U.S.-Pakistani military cooperation," U.S. envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, told Reuters, referring to the Patraeus visit.

Holbrooke said on Tuesday that Washington was trying to expedite delivery of equipment requested by the Pakistani army, including helicopters and parts.

Pakistan's request for equipment would "come up for sure" in talks between Petraeus and senior Pakistani military officials, Holbrooke said.

He said Pakistani army chiefs would also provide Petraeus with their assessment of the battle in the Swat valley, northwest of Islamabad, after a three-month offensive in which Pakistani forces have pushed back militants.

Pakistan forces have also stepped up attacks on Pakistani Taliban fighters led by Baitullah Mehsud in the South Waziristan region on the Afghan border.

Mehsud is widely believed to have been killed this month in a missile strike by a U.S. pilotless drone aircraft.

OTHER FACTIONS

The United States also wants Pakistan to move against other militant factions, based in various areas including North Waziristan, which focus on battling Western forces in Afghanistan.

But a senior Pakistani commander, Lieutenant-General Nadeem Ahmed, said on Tuesday Pakistan would need months to prepare for a ground offensive against the Taliban in South Waziristan.

Some U.S. officials have expressed concern Pakistan will lose momentum if it puts off the offensive for too long.

"The United States continues to encourage Pakistan to apply pressure on militants in the wake of Mehsud's death," a U.S. defence official said.

Ahmed said the army was attacking militants with aircraft and artillery with the goal of "wearing them out" before ground forces go in.

But he added the army was short of "the right kind of equipment" and urged Holbrooke to help Pakistan obtain Cobra attack helicopters.

In addition to Cobras, Ahmed cited shortfalls of protective gear, intelligence-gathering and night-vision equipment, and precision weapons.

"If we can really get these shortfalls addressed promptly, the operation will be that much more effective," he said. (Editing by Robert Birsel and Jerry Norton)