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Old 08-13-2009, 05:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New pic is released with Shtora but will it also have Arena??? Shtora is passive (1 kW infrared jammer, smokescreen, auto track) while Arena is killing everything that gets near the tank (5-25 meter depending on the angle)

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I think with anti terror it is more handy to have arena against the efective RPG's and during war with India it is very handy to defeat anti tank material... Shtora is nice but one needs full protection. Active and passive... Besides that I had thought they would alter the design to be more stealthier... Since India introduced AWACS (scanning everything near Lahore) it will be atleast handy to avoid to be detected...
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pic is not opening here sir can you please check
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Old 08-13-2009, 05:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It does work for me... Another method...

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2302/alkhalidnew.jpg

About Shtora... (arena simpler version included)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC1EB-sqKBY

Full arena...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJz1QSZ-sRw
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Shtora-1 Protection system against high-precision weapons
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Protection against antitank guided missiles using laser target illuminator
Protection against artillery weapons fitted with a laser rangefinder based fire control system
Protection against antitank guided missiles with semiautomatic guidance system


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Isnt the Shtora Russian? or does Ukraine have it too and pak got thru them??
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Isnt the Shtora Russian? or does Ukraine have it too and pak got thru them??
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Shtora (Russian: Штора, ‘curtain’) is a Russian electro-optical active protection suite for tanks, designed to disrupt the laser target designation and rangefinders of incoming anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).
The system is mounted on the Russian T-80 and T-90 series tanks, the Ukrainian T-84, and the Serbian M-84AB1.
Shtora-1 is an electro-optical jammer that jams the enemy's semiautomatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) antitank guided missiles, laser rangefinders and target designators. Shtora-1 is actually a soft-kill, or passive-countermeasure system. It is most effective when used together with a hard-kill system such as the Arena active countermeasures system. The system was shown fitted to a Russian main battle tank during the International Defense Exposition, held in Abu Dhabi in 1995. The first known application of the system is the Russian T-90 main battle tank, which entered service in the Russian Army in 1993.
The Shtora-1 is a electro-optical countermeasure system comprises four key components, the electro-optical/IR "dazzlers" interface station one each mounted to the left right of the main gun, which includes a jammer, modulator, and control panel, a bank of forward-firing grenade dischargers mounted on either side of the turret, which are capable of firing grenades dispensing an aerosol smoke screen opaque in infrared, a laser warning system with precision and coarse heads, and a control system comprising control panel, microprocessor, and manual screen-laying panel. This processes the information from the sensors and activates the aerosol screen-laying system. Two infrared lights, one on each side of the main gun, continuously emit coded pulsed-infrared jamming when an incoming ATGM has been detected. Shtora-1 has a field of view of 360 degrees horizontally and –5 to +25 degrees in elevation. It contains twelve aerosol screen launchers and weighs 400 kg. The screening aerosol takes less than three seconds to form and lasts about twenty seconds. The screen-laying range is from 50 to 70 meters. It is also believed that the Shtora system can also locate the point where the threat originated from and plot a firing solution for the main gun, so that the tank crew can return fire. Shtora-1 can operated in fully automatic or semi-automatic modes and has capability to operate continuously for six hours against ATGM attack.
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Yes I read it, so I guess its through Ukraine. I just wanted to confirm, as Wiki is something I take with a pinch of salt :D

Does Ukraine Produce this and have the tech to improve upon it? Asking this coz wiki has branded it russian with ukranian tanks using it.
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Since India introduced AWACS (scanning everything near Lahore) it will be atleast handy to avoid to be detected...
I somewhat disagree. They already know the peacetime locations of our units.

However, we should reduce the RCS and heat signatures.In war time conditions we should try to use a mobile version of multi spectral camouflage nets manufactured by AWC( by mobile i mean one that can be worn by the tank like the usual camouflage).
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I somewhat disagree. They already know the peacetime locations of our units.

However, we should reduce the RCS and heat signatures.In war time conditions we should try to use a mobile version of multi spectral camouflage nets manufactured by AWC( by mobile i mean one that can be worn by the tank like the usual camouflage).
If they are practicing then India can scan the entire area to see how they act and how to react... Even during peacetime you just want to be secret...
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