FC-20 / Future PAF J-10

[Neo]

We have to keep in mind that India will possess the Pak-Fa within 10 years which will outclass even the future FC-20. We need to continue on current plans to have 450 modern 4.0 and 4.5 gen fighters by 2015 but our main focus should be how to counter an Stealth equipped IAF by 2020.

From my personal and reliable contacts I know that we're negotiating with China to purchase upto 50 J-XX. The big Q is will the J-XX be ready and operational by 2020?

[Araz]

Te question that I tried to address is why PAF is playing the waiting game and why this was desirable. As I said the options open to us a re many and varied. As to the next gewneration, as Neo has rightly pointed out that PAF is already looking ahead. The Indian new contract is a huge one and no doubt will take them into a differennt league.However, the quantities discussed are known factors. What they choose will dictate PAF's response and the rapidity of it. You have to understand that there is a lag of roughly 3yrs between fighter contract and delivery.It may take tem another 18 months to 2yrs to devise their strategies.. As a cash strapped force we have to be indful of our restraints and need to work within them.
Araz

[Selma Shirazi]

Pak-Fa will not be inductued for a long time, I think the projection of 2020 is way too ambitious. Its the first Russian stealth design, compare it to USA which first developped the F-117, then B-2 and still needed more than a decade to develop the F-35.

Russians have a good industry but lack at stealth know-how. Pak-Fa needs another 10-12 years of further development and testing before it can go into production.

[Araz]

Originally Posted by Selma Shirazi

Pak-Fa will not be inductued for a long time, I think the projection of 2020 is way too ambitious. Its the first Russian stealth design, compare it to USA which first developped the F-117, then B-2 and still needed more than a decade to develop the F-35.

Russians have a good industry but lack at stealth know-how. Pak-Fa needs another 10-12 years of further development and testing before it can go into production.

Irrespective of when it gets inducted, we need to understand that it will change the whole equation. We need to think of our options from now. either we ask the US for F35, which in post 2020-25 would be still a potent weapon, though will come with strings attached. The other option is to go the chinese way,, which Neo has hinted at. The third option is to initiate research now for the next level with the Chinese(we dont have the money))). The last option is to start thinking out of the box and devise strategy now for the next stage. I strongly suspect we will be doiing either the second or fourth option.
Araz

[Singh]

Originally Posted by Selma Shirazi

Pak-Fa will not be inductued for a long time, I think the projection of 2020 is way too ambitious. Its the first Russian stealth design, compare it to USA which first developped the F-117, then B-2 and still needed more than a decade to develop the F-35.

Russians have a good industry but lack at stealth know-how. Pak-Fa needs another 10-12 years of further development and testing before it can go into production.

Pak Fa has been in development for a long long time. Ruskies jumped on the stealth bandwagon around the time US did. Ruskies lacked $ to realize the projects.

US aviation industry is not a standard for everyone. Russia has produced US rivaling counterparts in record times.

[keysersoze]

Originally Posted by Singh

Pak Fa has been in development for a long long time. Ruskies jumped on the stealth bandwagon around the time US did. Ruskies lacked $ to realize the projects.

US aviation industry is not a standard for everyone. Russia has produced US rivaling counterparts in record times.

Err Thats not true...... if you don't have money you can't develop bugger all. Also the Russian have always been behind in their developments. Add to that the dead time in the 90's when the Russian economy was in free fall they are well behind.

A good example is the F-15 and the Russian counterparts (mig29 and su-27) look at when they cam into service.

[Neo]

China’s 4th gen J-10 fighter redesigned, upgraded by Pakistan as FC-20

April 13, 2010

Some versions of the redesigned J-10s will take off in 2009, however the official flight date for the Pakistani FC-20s is 2015, but in actuality the Pakistanis are way ahead on the schedule and working beyond the J-10 redesigns. The PAF is looking beyond the JF-17 thunders and the J-10s. The design for the next generation of Pakistani aircraft has already begun. The Chinese J-10s are ready for export now. The redesign and upgrade of the FC-20s will take about five more years.

BEIJING, April 13 (APP): China Tuesday put on display its most modern 4th generation state of the art fighter aircraft.The unveiling ceremony of the J-10 single seat aircraft was held in the port city of Tianjin about 130- KM away from Beijing in which air attaches from over fifty countries and a large number of international media participated.A formation of four aircraft in groups and individually demonstrated stellar performances of maneuvering and acrobat with great skill that last over twenty minutes at the base of 24th Air division of People’s Liberation Army IPLA).

China’s 4th gen J-10 fighter redesigned, upgraded by Pakistan as FC-20

[keysersoze]

Two pictures of the J-10B radar which seem to indicate a AESA radar.

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Further picture which seems to confirm the previous claims of a AESA radar.

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SPot the Dual SD-10 launcher......